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Old Nov 16, 2016 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by hi_im_sean
I simply have no answer for this Joe. That's not to say I haven't thought about it extensively. It seems like every time you come up with an idea to fix it, it require some form of regulation, that in order to work, would rely on the morals and principles of those regulating. To which I find ironic, as you could make the argument that morals and principles, or lack of(normal human behavior), is what put us here to begin with.

If the morons that put out the anti 205 ads here in AZ had any morals in this context or (in my eyes of course) the "right" principles, maybe they wouldn't have lied through their teeth and make up fake data to sway things in their favor. And unfortunately confirmation bias is a real thing. So, you make a governing body that ensures the truthfulness of political ads? And who insures they are doing their job correctly, how do we keep money away from them? It just spirals out of control.
Or, you could take the opposite approach- that the proper response to "bad" speech is not censorship, it's MORE speech.

That was kind of the whole foundational purpose of the internet. Or, at least, the public parts of it (Usenet, the Web, etc). To prevent censorship, to give everyone a voice. The weaker elements of our society are now learning that all freedom, including freedom of expression, comes with a price.







Originally Posted by hi_im_sean
So the more I think about it, the more I agree with the "pass a test to vote" or other conversations that have been going on here lately. Not that that idea isn't subject to the same issues I just spoke of. ie- who rights the test?
That's an easy one. A non-partisan (or multi-partisan) cabinet whose membership represent a diverse array of social, political and religious backgrounds. Writing fixed test standards is much easier than regulating dynamic (and 1'st amendment protected) content. We do it for foreign nationals wishing to become citizens, for high school students wishing to enter college, for MD and JD grads wishing to practice medicine or law, for airline pilots, for the operators of nuclear power plants, for electricians, for engineers, etc.
Old Nov 16, 2016 | 04:44 PM
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Old Nov 16, 2016 | 05:45 PM
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We can't even get the Dems to agree to ID for voting. You think they are gonna go all in on testing?
Old Nov 16, 2016 | 06:06 PM
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How about this: people who own real property count as one vote - people who don't own property count as 3/5ths of a vote. Sounds like a good compromise...
Old Nov 16, 2016 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
Lol @ king trump.

I was referencing his fondness for media blacklists and denying press credentialing.
That's nothing new. It's just that he's the first non-leftist president to do it in a while.
Old Nov 16, 2016 | 06:46 PM
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As if the housing bubble wasn't bad enough lol.
Old Nov 16, 2016 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
You can teach kids civics whether they want to be rocket scientists or auto mechanics.
You could if it hadn't been removed from many school curricula. This is why we have people believing the popular vote should count for the presidency and other nonsense.
Old Nov 16, 2016 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by fooger03
How about this: people who own real property count as one vote - people who don't own property count as 3/5ths of a vote. Sounds like a good compromise...
That's racist.
Old Nov 16, 2016 | 06:51 PM
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How about you get as many votes as your net income tax?
Old Nov 17, 2016 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by hornetball
How about you get as many votes as your net income tax?
How about you only get to vote if you have a net payment in to the government greater than what you receive? If you are suckling the teat to survive then you aren't mature enough to have a say.
Old Nov 17, 2016 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
How about you only get to vote if you have a net payment in to the government greater than what you receive? If you are suckling the teat to survive then you aren't mature enough to have a say.
I tend to agree with this since I pay more in taxes every year than the povery line for a family of 4.

But thankfully a Representative Republic is, in theory, designed to protect the minority from the majority.

That suggestion would be the old, Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
Old Nov 17, 2016 | 09:52 AM
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lol at 15 year olds getting in fights over the President:

Trump supporter, 15, beaten during Rockville protest | WTOP

Hundreds of students from Richard Montgomery High School were carrying signs reading, “Love Trumps Hate,” and chanting near the Rockville courthouse on Maryland Avenue in a protest that began at about 10 a.m. when a 15-year-old boy wearing one of the Trump campaign’s “Make America Great Again” hats was attacked by about four students.

The group surrounded the teen, punching him repeatedly, then threw him to the ground and kicked him repeatedly in the ribs. It is not yet clear what led up to the incident, but Maj. Michael English with Rockville police said the victim was not the aggressor.


“They jumped him and beat him up pretty bad,” Max Stucky, a bystander who witnessed the attack, told WTOP.

Remember, Trump supporters are violent bigots.
Old Nov 17, 2016 | 09:54 AM
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tolerant left:




Remember, Trump supports are violent bigots.
Old Nov 17, 2016 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by z31maniac
That suggestion would be the old, Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
What's it called when the wolves force the sheep to go out and hunt food for them under threat of physical harm? Public assistance?
Old Nov 17, 2016 | 12:15 PM
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Students at the University of Massachusetts are currently holding a ‘****-in,’ occupying toilets in an admin building to demand more gender-neutral facilities on campus.

Among students involved, the protest is officially known as the “****-In At Whitmore,” in reference to the Whitmore Administration Building where the hijacked washrooms are located.

According to the official Facebook page for the event, it’s being held by Gender Liberation UMass, or GLU.

GLU hopes to accomplish three things with their ‘****-in.’

First, they want admin to change the signage on several campus bathrooms to make them gender-neutral, which they feel will encourage “trans inclusivity and safety on campus.”

Second, they demand the “advancement of medically and socially competent in-house transgender health services at the University Health Services center.”

Lastly, they’re calling for the “hiring of a professor by the Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies Department who is an expert in the field of critical transmisogyny from an intersectional perspective.”
Old Nov 17, 2016 | 12:18 PM
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Professor Taken to Hospital Over Alleged Violent Threats

A Rutgers University professor was taken to a New York City hospital for a psychiatric evaluation after university police claimed he made threats to kill white people, authorities said Wednesday.

But Kevin Allred said the comments he made in class and on Twitter in the days after Donald Trump won the presidential election were just rhetorical political statements. He claims school officials were trying to intimidate him for exercising his free speech rights.

New York police said they were contacted by Rutgers police about the alleged threats. Allred, who is white, was taken to the hospital Tuesday night and released later that night. Allred said he wasn’t arrested or handcuffed, but was told he didn’t have a choice about going to the hospital.
Old Nov 17, 2016 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Braineack
Lastly, they’re calling for the “hiring of a professor by the Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies Department who is an expert in the field of critical transmisogyny from an intersectional perspective.”
I don't even know what these words mean.
Old Nov 17, 2016 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by z31maniac
I don't even know what these words mean.
Not sure either, but my inclination is that it means they might have personally been under the knife.
Old Nov 17, 2016 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Braineack
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Remember, Trump supports are violent bigots.
Proof that no political party has a monopoly on stupidity!
Old Nov 17, 2016 | 02:16 PM
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/old-gone-...163147226.html

Referrals to Britain's only gender identity service for children have more than doubled to 1,419 in 2015/16 compared with the year before, according to The Tavistock and Portman mental health clinic, which runs the service.

Polly Carmichael, a psychologist who heads the service, says in the 20 years she has worked in this field she has seen increasing numbers of children identifying as transgender or saying they do not conform to the gender they were born as.

Though rare, some of her patients are as young as three.

"Young people experiencing gender dysphoria is a real phenomenon," said Carmichael at her London office.

"It can be incredibly isolating ... if you don't feel you belong in a particular category that you've been assigned to. Many adolescents do become very distressed and self-harm."

She said the rise in children struggling with their gender identity is probably the result of greater awareness of the gender spectrum among parents and the children themselves, through the internet and other media.



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