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Guess how much markup ammo sales get when they're the only game in town?
40%.
But in all seriousness, I have no idea what you're talking about. WalMart stores in NYS still sell ammunition. I looked up a random load at the store in Fishkill, near where I used to live in Wappingers Falls. 100 rounds of Winchester 165gr .40 S&W is $32.36 at WalMart, which is four dollars cheaper than the exact same box at bulkammo.com.
I realize that you live out in the sticks and have limited shopping choices, but that's not really New York's fault.
You used to be able to buy a box like that for $25-28 or so. After SAFE act, it jumped way up. The artificial ammo shortage raised prices across the board, and they've never really come back down.
But what I was talking about was
A) having to show ID
B) paying exorbitant prices for large ammo purchases.
You used to go to the internet and buy X thousand rounds, shipped right to your door. The discounts for buying in bulk can be real money if you're a serious shooter. Nobody that is more than a very casual shooter buys a box at a time, unless it's some sort of special ammo, because you can hardly afford to shoot at those prices. Now, you have to go to the gun store to buy your ammo, and the price markup for accepting your valid internet order (with no effort on their part) just about wipes out the savings by buying in bulk.
How, exactly does this prevent any sort of crime? Hint: it doesn't. It's not about making people safer, it's about pricing guns and ammo out of reach of the average person. They've tried it with cigarettes and that hasn't worked either, but simple facts don't deter politicians.
Unless you live in Alaska, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York City, or Chicago, they will ship to your door.
Originally Posted by rleete
How, exactly does this prevent any sort of crime? Hint: it doesn't. It's not about making people safer, it's about pricing guns and ammo out of reach of the average person. They've tried it with cigarettes and that hasn't worked either, but simple facts don't deter politicians.
It's erroneous to believe that politicians are the originating force in this. Politicians, by and large, are reactionary in nature. When We The People demand that they "do something," well, they tend to create laws.
Want to change the laws? Start by changing the people.
You used to be able to buy a box like that for $25-28 or so. After SAFE act, it jumped way up. The artificial ammo shortage raised prices across the board, and they've never really come back down.
But what I was talking about was
A) having to show ID
B) paying exorbitant prices for large ammo purchases.
You used to go to the internet and buy X thousand rounds, shipped right to your door. The discounts for buying in bulk can be real money if you're a serious shooter. Nobody that is more than a very casual shooter buys a box at a time, unless it's some sort of special ammo, because you can hardly afford to shoot at those prices. Now, you have to go to the gun store to buy your ammo, and the price markup for accepting your valid internet order (with no effort on their part) just about wipes out the savings by buying in bulk.
How, exactly does this prevent any sort of crime? Hint: it doesn't. It's not about making people safer, it's about pricing guns and ammo out of reach of the average person. They've tried it with cigarettes and that hasn't worked either, but simple facts don't deter politicians.
Amen, bruh.
Just like marylands fsa2013. It is a defacto gun ban. Not many new owners want to go through the process to purchase a gun.
Just like marylands fsa2013. It is a defacto gun ban. Not many new owners want to go through the process to purchase a gun.
And that's the whole point... make enough barriers to ownership and a good portion of those who would buy a gun, won't. Lowering the number of white middle-class urban gun-owners is probably the most critical part of overall anti-gun success. This is why the liberal media never bothers making a big deal when 2 dozen black people in Chicago get killed on streetcorners in one weekend being shot with small-caliber pistols, but when a bunch of white gays or white kids get killed with a black rifle, THEN white people care and demand change. Notice that nobody was calling for bans on handguns when the white racist kid shot those old black folks in a church.
I do however think that the current anti-gun states are doing everything they can... CA/NY/MD/CT/NJ/HI are off the deep end, but nobody is following them... the other 40+ states for the most part are repealing bad laws and actively encouraging carry. Oregon and Wash are leaning a little bit, but I think they've done all they can for now. Colorado did manage to get their 30rd mag ban, but that went badly for the politicians that supported it, and the majority of the States Sheriffs basically told the Governor to **** off. Most states that aren't outright anti-gun, are doing exactly the opposite of CA and show no signs of slowing down.
In fact, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Miss, Puerto Rico (sorta), Vermont, W.Virginia, Wyoming... all have Constitutional Carry. Montana, New Hampshire, and Oklahoma will all be within the next year or two.
The Holy Trinity of the anti-gun laws are AWB, Background Checks's, and magazine limits... we'll see what happens when Hilldog wins but Obama hasn't managed it and the right hates her more than Obama, and fully 3/4+ of our states are doubling down on gun rights.
My advice for those concerned... support your local grassroots gun-rights group AND the NRA. Here in VA, we have the VCDL and they are 100% the reason for all the awesomeness in this state. I also support Calguns because my parents live in CA and they need all the help they can get.
I have to provide identification to prove that I am over 18 to simply purchase spray cans of paint in some places, too. Some people try to ruin everything. And politicians make it worse without solving the graffiti problem.
Even 20-30 years ago, self defense would make the local evening news once in a while but you'd never hear of cases from other cities until after the internet became widespread and you happened to be part of a self defense mailing list. Self defense is boring because there isn't a pile of bleeding bodies and it presents a narrative that makes most media types uncomfortable.
Times have changed, though. And you nailed it re: the social media aspect.
Insofar as the mainstream news is concerned, the routine undercurrent of thugs shooting one another goes mostly unreported because it's boring. There was a great story this morning on my own TV station (WPIX), about how the number of shootings which occurred in NYC on July 4 was "excessively high." To wit: 14 people were shot, which is more than usual. (Nobody died, which suggests that NYC thugs need to practice more.)
But it doesn't happen often. And two simple facts make that really intuatively obvious if you stop to think about them:
1: A home-defense shooting in Oregon made the news in NYC, and
2: Every time some concealed-carry person shoots a bad guy, the pro-2A crowd echo it all over FB.
Try it for yourself. Go to the website of your favorite local TV station's news department. Search for "shot." Filter out all the random ones, and focus on those which are either "family member / neighbor shot" or "hero stops bad guy."
Here's what I came up with for the past few weeks in the "bad" column:
It doesn't happen often, if you define "it" in a specific or narrow way. If you want to include instances that were resolved with no shots fired and no injuries to any party, it gets more difficult, even if you had access to exhaustive police records, because I would wager that a fair number of those situations never get reported.
After ^that, the chances of another national scary black murder guns ban seems more and more likely. Especially as we approach the election and Trump looks more like a goon with every television appearance. I kind of feel like I should be looking for a non-scary wood rifle that would still be useful. Any opinions on the best option? Maybe a Mini-14 or a used M1A/ M14 knockoff?
I dont own any of those, so i cant help you there. Seems like a good choice on the mini 14 or m14.
I can see Brian Frosh (Maryland AG) foaming at the mouth with the Massachusetts announcement. Look for maryland, new york or california to follow suit.
My favorite part is the supervisor saying "this is nothing more than a casual conversation" (2:14) yet the first things cops do is draw weapons and order them to the ground.
second favorite was when officers ignored crimes to break the law themselves.
On Friday, May 27th, 2016, Michael Picard, Dontrell Brown and Goodman Brown were getting ready to protest a DUI checkpoint in Manchester, CT. Michael and Dontrell were openly carrying, legally and peacefully, as they always do, when a caller reported to the police that he was alarmed at the sight of a gun, although, by his own admission, they were holstered, we weren't threatening and we were "friends...hanging out.". Although we were engaged in legal activity, the responding officer, Jason Wagner, who has been suspended for excessive force before, drew his weapon and forced us to the ground. At that point, Officer Peter Celio arrived, disarmed Dontrell and handcuffed him. A few minutes later, Sergeant Ryan Shea arrived, seized phones, disarmed Michael, knelt on his back and handcuffed him. Eventually Officer Wagner casually put his firearm down by his side, inadvertently pointing his gun at our heads. Once he holstered his weapon, he conducted a search of Goodman Brown, then handcuffed him. As Officer Celio conducted a full body search on Michael, the officers called him by name and made it clear that they knew him. After Michael insisted on knowing what reasonable suspicion they had that they had committed a crime, they were informed that they were being arrested for breach of peace, then they were put in the back of the police cruisers, Dontrell Brown and Goodman brown in one cruiser and Michael in a separate cruiser, with no doors or windows open in either cruiser. Goodman Brown was the first to be let go at 30 minutes into the encounter, but not before the officers surrounded him, as if to intimidate him, . Dontrell was released at about 45 minutes into the encounter. After more than an hour, Michael was let go and they informed them that they would be calling a certain state's attorney, who would issue a warrant for his arrest. No warrant was ever issued. Dontrell's car was towed because his registration was allegedly unregistered, but it wasn't actually unregistered. After we had left the scene, dispatch told the officers to call dispatch on their personal cell phones, which is not subject to public records requests. A call then went out over the radio that we were intimidating people, shining flashlights into cars, etc., which is absolutely false, as we were no longer at the scene, as the officers admitted.
The Manchester, CT officers also refused to give their names and badge numbers, which was obtained later:
1. Officer Jason Wagner
2. Officer Peter Celio
3. Sergeant Ryan Shea
4. Lt. Sean Grant
Additionally, the study used data compiled from 1987-2015 in Texas and Florida as a model to compare permit holders with police and the overall population. The data showed “that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth the rate for police officers.”
“Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000. That is just one-seventh of the rate for police officers.”
oh wait...
Concealed permit holders are more law abiding than police, and almost any other group.
The soaring gun sale totals—which show 554,203 firearms sales through late July—come in the wake of mass shootings in Orlando and Dallas, followed by calls for gun control legislation. KPCC obtained the new data from the California Department of Justice's gun tracking system, the Dealer Record of Sales (DROS). The system shows gun sales on track to surpass 2015 nearly everywhere in the state.
That may seem incongruous with the fact that the percentage of households in the U.S. with guns in them has been falling for decades.
"It's more of the same people buying guns," said UCLA Law Professor Adam Winkler. "It's not going to result in more households having guns."
Sales in 2014 and 2015 were 890,000 and 845,000, respectively. If sales continue at their current pace, they would hit 999,000 in 2016, and could top one million if the bounce in sales this summer sustains.
The DOJ didn't reliably track gun all sales before 2014, but their data on handguns shows a steady increase in sales, from 200,000 in 2010 to 288,331 in 2016 as of the end of July.
Sales spiking this summer
Nine of 2016's ten busiest days for gun sales have come after a gunman opened fire in an Orlando nightclub on June 12, killing 49 people. The single busiest day was Friday, July 1, 2016, when the DROS system tracked 5,907 sales across California (another 61 sales are still pending).
The third and fourth biggest days for gun sales came the following week on July 7 and 8, in the days after the shooting in Dallas that killed five police officers.
Weekly 2016 gun sales
"The reason why we're seeing another spike in gun sales is fear of gun control," Winkler said. "One of the ironies of gun control is that when reform is proposed, many people go out and purchase guns thinking that those guns may soon be banned."
Winkler said the debate over Proposition 63, the gun control measure supported by Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, will keep gun control in the public eye through November. He predicted that will concern Second Amendment advocates, keeping sales at high levels.
Counties buying guns at varying rates
At their current rate, sales are on pace to surpass last year in every one of California's most populous counties. That includes six counties in greater Los Angeles, as well areas across the state, including San Francisco, San Diego and Sacramento counties.
While by far the most guns have been sold in Los Angeles County, the per capita rate is among the lowest in the state.
"People living in urban areas are far less likely to own guns," UCLA's Winkler said. "And far less likely to be the type of gun rights supporter who would go out and buy guns as a protest against gun control laws."
Just under one gun per hundred residents has been sold in Los Angeles this year. Meanwhile, the Inland Empire and more rural northern California counties have higher rates. In Lassen, Shasta, and Trinity counties, gun sales per capita are about four times greater than in L.A.
Gun sales for counties with more than one million residents
The data captures sales through July 21, 2016. Pending sales could add as many as 5,927 guns to the totals. Nearly all pending sales were in July, and could further push up totals following the Dallas shooting.
So far this year 6,355 firearms sales have been denied by the state. That's about one rejection for every 100 sales.
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