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Old 03-19-2014, 12:28 AM   #21
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True, but weren't they supposedly terrain following in some kind of stealth choppers . . . as opposed to a huge airliner?
Like frooger said, long range low altitude.

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Fools.
They crash landed on the lost island and are now running in fear of the smoke monster.
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it is entirely possible to fly under radar over water in a non-stealth plane. ... below, say, 500' AGL.
Ok, I could be wrong, but I thought this whole evasion concept pertained to the possibility of it flying over land; more specifically India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. . I don't really see a plane with a 200' wingspan easily staying less than 500' over such varied terrain.
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Ok, I could be wrong, but I thought this whole evasion concept pertained to the possibility of it flying over land; more specifically India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. . I don't really see a plane with a 200' wingspan easily staying less than 500' over such varied terrain.
They could just as easily evade radar by flying low altitude over land if they knew the routes...but there would be millions of witnesses if this were the case - waking up at night to the sound of an airliner flying a few hundred feet overhead.

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Some have seen it flying low over the Maldives.
Missing Plane MH370: Maldives Island Residents Report 'Low Flying Jet'
Could it have reached Somalia etc (low altitude consumes more fuel?)?

But dealing with all the passengers is messy business.
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people also report seeing aliens/ghosts/ufos/etc...
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Ok, I could be wrong, but I thought this whole evasion concept pertained to the possibility of it flying over land; more specifically India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. . I don't really see a plane with a 200' wingspan easily staying less than 500' over such varied terrain.
It still works at sea to an extent because of the curvature of the earth. The phenomenon is known as radar horizon.

The point of my post was that there are ways to avoid radar detection even if you are within line of sight of the radar antenna.
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The point of my post was that there are ways to avoid radar detection even if you are within line of sight of the radar antenna.
maybe the plane morphed into a F-22?
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maybe the plane morphed into a F-22?
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My real question is if the plane was landed somewhere, how hard is it to change it to look like a different plane. What all needs to be done so it would no longer show up as Flight 370. There were reports that Rolls-Royce was receiving engine information after final contact. So if that is true, if the plane was restarted wouldn't RR start getting new engine data?
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Report in the India Times of possible aircraft debris found in water.
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I am somewhat of a radar expert... kinda my thing.

So let's talk about a certain country for a minute. I'll give anybody a dollar if they can tell me which country has the most advanced long-range radar tracking systems in the world. It's not the US, because we have airplanes and ships and tons of friends and no threats against our homeland.

Anybody? OK, a hint... it rhymes with the female pro-wrestler Chyna, aka, the "Ninth Wonder of the World".

Anyways, China (the country... see, I spelled it with an "i") has a ridiculous series of radars stationed all over the country that can see the a good portion of the Pacific this side of Hawaii and the majority of the Indian Ocean. They're some very special long-range stuff (obviously not line-of-sight) that bounces the signals many times off the atmosphere/land and some very fancy computers to figure out the return signals. They were designed to find our battle-groups, and while a 777 isn't as big as a Nimitz Class, it's certainly as big on radar as a Frigate. I promise you they can see a 777 off the coast of Malaysia. We have the same kind of radars here in the US, just not as many or as good.

So my not-conspiracy-theory opinion is that China knows exactly what happened to the plane as long as it was within range of it's radar net...which if over water, it was. My guess is that China knows where it went down and is keeping quiet about it for the intelligence gathering opportunity and to see what the US does.

On a side note, the guys on duty that night at the radar facility had an unfortunate smelting accident and are dead. Also, due to an administrative error, all the tapes were destroyed when the Chinese police performed a no-knock raid on the wrong address (was supposed to be the laundrymat next to the radar office) and used 36 breaching charges placed all around the building instead of the normal single charge on the door. The police chief indicates the officer responsible has been placed on paid administrative leave pending an investigation and will never be available for comment... ever.
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I am somewhat of a radar expert... kinda my thing.

So let's talk about a certain country for a minute. I'll give anybody a dollar if they can tell me which country has the most advanced long-range radar tracking systems in the world. It's not the US, because we have airplanes and ships and tons of friends and no threats against our homeland.

Anybody? OK, a hint... it rhymes with the female pro-wrestler Chyna, aka, the "Ninth Wonder of the World".

Anyways, China (the country... see, I spelled it with an "i") has a ridiculous series of radars stationed all over the country that can see the a good portion of the Pacific this side of Hawaii and the majority of the Indian Ocean. They're some very special long-range stuff (obviously not line-of-sight) that bounces the signals many times off the atmosphere/land and some very fancy computers to figure out the return signals. They were designed to find our battle-groups, and while a 777 isn't as big as a Nimitz Class, it's certainly as big on radar as a Frigate. I promise you they can see a 777 off the coast of Malaysia. We have the same kind of radars here in the US, just not as many or as good.

So my not-conspiracy-theory opinion is that China knows exactly what happened to the plane as long as it was within range of it's radar net...which if over water, it was. My guess is that China knows where it went down and is keeping quiet about it for the intelligence gathering opportunity and to see what the US does.

On a side note, the guys on duty that night at the radar facility had an unfortunate smelting accident and are dead. Also, due to an administrative error, all the tapes were destroyed when the Chinese police performed a no-knock raid on the wrong address (was supposed to be the laundrymat next to the radar office) and used 36 breaching charges placed all around the building instead of the normal single charge on the door. The police chief indicates the officer responsible has been placed on paid administrative leave pending an investigation and will never be available for comment... ever.
I totally buy that China probably has that whole area covered in radar. I am hesitant to buy that they know where it crashed and are simply not releasing that information yet. Isn't it something like over half the people on the plane are Chinese citizens? With that many of their citizens I would think if they had more precise information that they would give out "some" of it to help the search along.
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I doubt they want to expose their capabilities. In China, the society, not the individual, is paramount -- has been that way for 5000 years. Completely different way of thinking than what we are used to.
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BTW, I really enjoyed going to the Chinese AF museum outside of Beijing. Lot's of Soviet hardware to check out. Every other MIG had a sign that said it had shot down an American "Air Pirate." LOL. I resemble that remark. The guards did not look pleased.

Who was it that said there were no pilots chiming in?
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I doubt they want to expose their capabilities. In China, the society, not the individual, is paramount -- has been that way for 5000 years. Completely different way of thinking than what we are used to.
They don't have to fully expose what their capabilities are. I am willing to bet that the DoD already has a very good idea of what their capabilities are. They could come out and say hey we have some "data" that shows that the plane should in "this" general area that is smaller then the continental US. They are on the worlds stage here and coming out being the ones to find the plane would be good for them in the worlds view. It would also show that yes as a country they have "concern" for their citizens, even if inside the country it is not true.
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They are on the worlds stage here and coming out being the ones to find the plane would be good for them in the worlds view. It would also show that yes as a country they have "concern" for their citizens, even if inside the country it is not true.
I betcha the Chinese who know what happened are sitting in their offices laughing their asses off watching the media jump through their asses... every conspiracy theory "Iran is gonna attack Israel" story is one more good belly-laugh.
Nope, I don't think the Chinese officials give a **** about "being on the worlds stage" anymore than Russia cared about toilets installed on the ceiling at Sochi.

All kidding aside, nobody in the media has a clue yet what happened to that plane... it's just the latest "thing" to give us a break from how fucked up our country is. In a few days when they find the wreckage somewhere and it turns out they just had a fire and crashed, Fox can go back to pointing out that Obama is the worst president in history and CNN/NBC/ABC can go back to blaming Bush.
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nobody in the media has a clue yet what happened to that plane...
This. And, pretty ****-poor accident investigation discipline that releases incomplete and mostly inaccurate data out to blithering idiots on an almost hourly basis. Silly.
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Who was it that said there were no pilots chiming in?
Didn't realize you were a pilot.
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Aviator, actually. LOL.
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