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Old 02-11-2011, 11:43 AM   #1
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I saw this on googlefastflips

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I just don't understand some people.
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So you're in favor of pouring money down a hole, when they (the hole dwellers) haven't come up with a single damn constructive thing to do about AGW?

Shut the bastards down, and save me some taxes!
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Shut down the EPA and NEA for a good start
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Here's an example of how he EPA has jumped the shark.

My front steps (concrete) were crumbling after 50 years. So, I looked at replacement and repair. Wife decided she wanted a porch. Naturally, I set about designing a porch based on pics from the web. Got all set to act as general contractor, and went to the town hall for the building permits. All well and good.

Now I'm no construction guy, and I was a little overwhelmed by the whole thing. How much rebar in the footer, do I use doublers on the end rafters, etc. Too much I didn't know. So, I hired a company to do it.

But, I read through the paperwork, and it said I had to file an EPA impact report for building on to an existing structure, on my own property. What a crock of ****. Question 1 was "have any trees been removed for construction?" It went on from there.

Since the builder was going to have to file the same paperwork, I proceeded to cut down every damn tree, bush, shrub and flower in my entire front yard. When, 2 weeks later he had me fill out the forms, I truthfully answered that there were no trees to be affected by the construction.
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Flier...

looks like you are one of them.

1.8 Billion is only 00.2% of the federal deficit each year.

It's not enough. they need to cut more wasteful spending. Let PRIVATE INDUSTRY handle innovation and efficiency.

Govt should run the country, not rule it.


A good example of where throwing money at a problem doesn't work is k-12 education. It's laughable. However, our higher education is great. Why is that? Private Industry.
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I made it all the way to the line "Republicans have even introduced legislation that would overturn the scientific finding that greenhouse gas emissions pose a threat to human health." That would be the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide. I seem to remember fourth grade science class covering the bit about humans breathing out carbon dioxide and plants "breathing" it in. Dangerous stuff, that.
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Government Is Science, they can tell you whatever they want, and you have to obey. you also must pay for it.
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Government jobs are supposed to be soooo easy. You just sit there and make sure things don't change. Instead, we've got a bunch of overeager bureaucrats trying to justify the existence of their jobs by creating new agencies/laws/proceudures/restrictions/etc. Don't get me wrong, it's a completely human thing to do, but they need to be fired because they are supposed to be "public servants", not "self servants". What they are doing is being self-servants while using the facade of "publicly advantageous policy" to justify their means.

I wish - I wish - I wish - that every person in this country could sit through my college "intro to economics" class, with my same instructor, with the same material, and with the same teaching method. It wasn't a lecture, it was a "get up and move around, and we're going to buy and sell stuff" class. We had buyers and sellers, and instead of telling us how an action changes the market, he would simply give us the scenario and let us "trade", and then he would inject a stimulus of some sort (government policy, natural disaster, etc.) and let us run the scenario again - and then we would have an open discussion of what happened and why. I soon decided that I was going to minor in Economics.

So when I say that "the EPA actions are a negligible environmental improvement, but economically disasterous", I might be off by a little on the environmental impact (in fact, I believe that "global warming" is short term, and that any impact that we've noticed can be 100% reversed in 2 weeks time by completely stopping energy use. The "higher temperature" that some people say we've had is lost forever to space in the form of infrared light radiation quite easily in that time. If you consider how much energy the earth gets from the sun every day, and if you consider the fact that the earth must return all of that energy to space at the same rate as it recieves energy, then you quickly realize how any amount of 'man-made' heat is never going to raise global temperature.) But I have a pretty good idea about the economic impact of the EPA.

To help with understanding the vast quantity of energy we recieve from the sun: Consider this: Using current technology, if we were to build a 100 mile x 100 mile (10,000 square miles) solar power plant in arizona, it would provide enough electricity that we could turn off every other power plant in the United States of America (including wind turbines, hydroelectric, nuclear, coal, oil, etc.) and power the country 24 hours per day (with battery power stored during the day and used at night, of course)

If you consider that current solar technology is, at best, about 13% efficient, then we can reduce that 10,000 square miles to 1,300 square miles. That is to say that 1,300 square miles of the earth's surface sees enough light energy from the sun to replace every source of electricity in the United States of America. That is an area of approximately 36 miles wide by 36 miles deep. I'm willing to say that there are probably many individuals in the United States, who do not consider themselves wealthy, that own that much land.

So if our planet has 197,000,000 square miles of surface area, then the amount of energy the planet sees from the sun is roughly equivalent to 151,538 times the amount of electricity that the United States of America generates from its power plants. If the planet as a whole was using 100 times the amount of energy that the United Stated generates just from its power plants (which is actually a bit ridiculous in itself), we would still be generating 1/1,515th (or about 6 hundredths of one percent) of the sun's energy. Now, consider my theory: "The thought that we, mere humans, are causing permanent climate change in the form of global warming is a little bit ridiculous"
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Theories aside. It's not the goverment's job.
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OK, I wish to change my statement; Shut down any government agency that is abbreviated by 3 letters
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Flier...

looks like you are one of them.
Ah damn, it's cause I play WoW, isn't it?


I was laughing at that article, please don't misunderstand me. I'm definitely conservative with my political views, the few that I have . Not to mention I live in the heartland of extreme conservatives.



What I gathered from that dude's fucked up article was:

"Don't let the market control gas prices, it will never fix itself!"
"We need stronger emission control!"
"Let the govt. control the price of gas, so that way these greedy people won't take it to an obscene price!"
"Oh the govt. just raised the price to $15/gal. to stop people from driving so much to lower emissions?...................... but but but I need to drive and I can't afford that! I changed my mind -_-"
"The world is changing, it's never changed like this before..... that we know of..... which is about 0.000000000001% of its lifetime, BUT ITS STILL CHANGING OMG"
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"The world is changing, it's never changed like this before..... that we know of..... which is about 0.000000000001% of its lifetime, BUT ITS STILL CHANGING OMG"
Problem is it has changed like this... more than once. A fact the "global warming" crowd likes to ignore.
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What is the optimum temperature for life on Earth to flourish?
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Old 02-12-2011, 12:39 PM   #15
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"It's more energy efficient to drive a 1967 Camaro from the day it was made until 30 years from now instead of having one Prius manufactured."

I heard that from Top Gear before and confirmed with my uncle who is in the manufacturing business (He designs the machines that make the machines that make the cars, micro-engineering something or other. Makes me feel like a dumb failure all the time)


Another funny story:

I had just got done putting the 01 block in my 97 and was letting a friend drive it while I was double checking the tune. We pass a Prius, loud pops because it was running pig rich. I told him to give it WOT, he does and I hear it throw all kinds of **** out the exhaust(flames? O_o) then it suddenly it stops. We pull over, I grab the extinguisher check under the hood and a fuel line had popped off. We move the car forward because it was in an inconvenient place and the prius actually pulls over to see if we need help. I laughed, pointed at the big puddle of gas and said "Look my car just puked out your emissions for a year"

Ah good times.
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Flier...

looks like you are one of them.

1.8 Billion is only 00.2% of the federal deficit each year.

It's not enough. they need to cut more wasteful spending. Let PRIVATE INDUSTRY handle innovation and efficiency.

Govt should run the country, not rule it.


A good example of where throwing money at a problem doesn't work is k-12 education. It's laughable. However, our higher education is great. Why is that? Private Industry.
I thought this whole statement was laughable. Our government is TOTALLY throwing money at schools right now. **** all those public school teachers with their high salaries and job security.

And **** public universities while we're at it. Long live Devry, ITT, and University of Phoenix! If you're going to pay out the *** for your education, why not line someone's pockets while you're at it!

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I thought this whole statement was laughable. Our government is TOTALLY throwing money at schools right now. **** all those public school teachers with their high salaries and job security.

And **** public universities while we're at it. Long live Devry, ITT, and University of Phoenix! If you're going to pay out the *** for your education, why not line someone's pockets while you're at it!

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High salaries, I think not. Many states pay their public school teachers rather poorly. The money, as usual, goes in the wrong directions when bureaucrats and politicians are involved. However, they do get summers off, which some teachers fail to remember. The states that likely "overpay" their public teachers are overburdened with unions forcing an unsustainable economy on the taxpayers.
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The temperature of my fecal, because I planted the seeds of life from my **** 10,000 years ago. My name is God, nice to meet you.

Most government run agencies are failures in my opinion. Some manage to do OK, but most are laughable. Our environmental agencies especially.

On the topic of "global warming" or "climate change", I do think we need to reduce the amount of "greenhouse gases" we produce. Global climate change is a natural cycle that was happening long before we came along, but we are without a doubt adding to the natural amount of gases produced on the planet. Who is to say a change in the cycle wouldn't be catastrophic, but then again, who is to say it would be. Either way, we need to try and leave the planet as we found it and stop ******* it up needlessly. Not saying halt human advancement because of it, but we tend to do things that aren't always necessary in regards to environmental impact, just to save some coin (strip mining, deforestation, ect...)
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High salaries, I think not. Many states pay their public school teachers rather poorly. The money, as usual, goes in the wrong directions when bureaucrats and politicians are involved. However, they do get summers off, which some teachers fail to remember. The states that likely "overpay" their public teachers are overburdened with unions forcing an unsustainable economy on the taxpayers.
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Teachers in NY make far too much. Oh, whaa, we work long hours. Yeah, and you get every damn holiday off, the whole summer and spring break as well. There's a ******* GYM teacher in the next town over who makes over 100K a year. For elementary school. "Go play with those *****, kids, while I suck down the taxpayers money."

Rochester, NY has the highest per capita patent rate in the world. Xerox, Kodak, Baush&Lomb, etc. But the average teacher's salary is higher than the average engineer's salary. How is that fair or reasonable?
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