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Old 02-13-2011, 10:51 AM   #21
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This is the **** that's really pissing me off and why is my tax money funding it?
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Yes, whatever will we do if people eat artisan cheese?!?!?!
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, more than 800 people in the United States have gotten sick from drinking raw milk or eating cheese made from raw milk since 1998.
Holy ****, 800-people out of 307,000,000 over 3-years...time to kill artisan cheese. If the percentage of people affected is so small that my calculator outputs scientific notation, I don't need a policy to protect me from it.
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* Propose rules, by the end of 2011, to require brake override systems, to standardize operation of keyless ignition systems, and to require the installation of event data recorders in all passenger vehicles;
* Begin broad research on the reliability and security of electronic control systems;
* Research the placement and design of accelerator and brake pedals, as well as driver usage of pedals, to determine whether design and placement can be improved to reduce pedal misapplication.
I prefer to let the market dictate pedal placement while letting me vote with my wallet, I don't care to give the government insight into my life with a datalogger, **** you NHTSA for killed left foot and heel-toe braking.

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In this remote snow-swept college town rejuvenated in part by Internet commerce, President Obama outlined a plan Thursday to create similar economic stories through the expansion of super-fast wireless Internet connections.
Where do I start? I don't want to deal with the government when my internet connection doesn't work, I don't want a state-run news service, I don't want the government to control the internet which transmits news and information to me, and who the **** is going to pay for this? Look at China Hussein, we don't want to live like that. I know you think it's great since you're in charge and know what we all need, which is more votes for you, but I trust Rupert Murdoch more than I trust you and your horse-**** administration to "bring me the news." Should we expect the government owned internet conduit to support broadcast of news development in Wikileaks?
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:01 PM   #22
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I thought this whole statement was laughable. Our government is TOTALLY throwing money at schools right now. **** all those public school teachers with their high salaries and job security.

And **** public universities while we're at it. Long live Devry, ITT, and University of Phoenix! If you're going to pay out the *** for your education, why not line someone's pockets while you're at it!

/sarcasm

are you saying the govt isnt throwing money at the problem?

are you ******* crazy?!



spending versus scores... no improvement 190% more spending per pupil since 1970 alone.

Keep laughing. I know it's funny to be ranked where we are for K-12.

The salary that the teachers make is between the teacher and the school. The education that the child gets is what's important. The only way Gov't knows how to produce results is dumping money in the system. They've never heard of term like performance based, efficiency, effectiveness, etc etc. Teacher's unions only make it worse.









I honestly can't understand how you can sit there and act a ******* fool like that. It's ridiculous; you are ridiculous.


The pyramid of ability recognizes the social contributions of the people that make great productive efforts possible. These investors and inventors provide the companies, technologies, and physical plants that raise the productivity of a person of even very modest knowledge or skill to towering heights. Think of how much an auto-factory worker makes in today's society; then compare that to what he would make if he tried to set up shop on his own. That's an example of how we benefit from participating in the division of labor, and from the ability of others to organize efficient means of production.

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Old 02-13-2011, 01:02 PM   #23
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Part of the solution is to make education a requirement for public assistance. No diploma? No welfare, unemployment, etc.

And how about we make them clean up the damn streets? Sheesh, we pay these people to sit on their asses, is it any wonder the place looks like hell and they won't do anything about it?
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are you saying the govt isnt throwing money at the problem?

are you ******* crazy?!



spending versus scores... no improvement 190% more spending per pupil since 1970 alone.

Keep laughing. I know it's funny to be ranked where we are for K-12.

The salary that the teachers make is between the teacher and the school. The education that the child gets is what's important. The only way Gov't knows how to produce results is dumping money in the system. They've never heard of term like performance based, efficiency, effectiveness, etc etc. Teacher's unions only make it worse.









I honestly can't understand how you can sit there and act a ******* fool like that. It's ridiculous; you are ridiculous.


The pyramid of ability recognizes the social contributions of the people that make great productive efforts possible. These investors and inventors provide the companies, technologies, and physical plants that raise the productivity of a person of even very modest knowledge or skill to towering heights. Think of how much an auto-factory worker makes in today's society; then compare that to what he would make if he tried to set up shop on his own. That's an example of how we benefit from participating in the division of labor, and from the ability of others to organize efficient means of production.
Ok, on k-12. I think you read into my drunken sarcastic response a little too much. At any rate, I dont know how things go in your neck of the woods, but over here teachers are being laid off, salaries cut, and schools closed. This forces larger classes and overpopulated schools.

Also, your graph is misleading. Of course it costs 190% more to teach students these days than it did in 1970. Books, desks, chairs, TVs, etc, all cost waaaay more today than they did in 1970. Also, inflation aside, look at all the computers and other such expensive electronics that are now necessary in schools. That **** is expensive.

There is no doubt in my mind that you're partially correct though in that throwing money at the situation isn't going to help. A friend of mine pays out the *** to send his daughter to a private school and she still can hardly read. So no, money is definitely not the answer.

Our k-12 education in this country is based all around teaching students how to pass standardized tests and not based on developing critical thinking and problem solving skills. Students aren't really required to engage themselves in their learning anymore. No child left behind really fucked everything up in that regard.

Anyway, its not funny to me at all where our country is ranked in education. I didn't get a chance to watch your videos but I will tonight after work.
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Someone better not tell Wayne that graph is inflation adjusted!
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Old 02-25-2011, 11:21 AM   #26
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******, those graphs are adjusted...

this is the base of the issue:

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The showdown in Wisconsin over fringe benefits for public employees boils down to one number: 74.2. That's how many cents the public pays Milwaukee public-school teachers and other employees for retirement and health benefits for every dollar they receive in salary. The corresponding rate for employees of private firms is 24.3 cents.

Unions use force to **** over the employer. It's not about the kids. Gov't employees should not be able to organize. Local state taxes are what fund your schooling, and their hands are tied because mobs of angry greedy ******** use collective bargaining to get THEIR way.

Politicians buy the votes of government workers with generous pay packages and benefits, paid for by someone else, and then expect a kickback from the unions in the form of hefty campaign donations, rent-a-mobs and questionable union political activity when they run for re-election.

Schools are run by people who do not ask "Do I want my employees to work harder?" they are run by people who are co-conspirators with them in milking the taxpayers.

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On his first day in office, the Republican governor of Indiana, Mitch Daniels, signed an executive order denying public sector employees the right to bargain collectively -- something that had been granted, naturally, by a Democratic governor.

As a result, Indiana government employees instantly got to take home an extra thousand dollars that no longer went to union dues -- and good employees started getting raises, while bad employees got cashiered.
you wanna fix the problem, get Gov't out of the system.


I do agree, standardized testing is stupid. This again is what happens when the Gov't gets involved. My solution would be expel the kids who deserve to be left behind and focus on the kids who want an education. This would be better for everyone.
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Unions - Bringing you higher costs and lower productivity every year.
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hell even FDR said that government employees shall never have bargaining rights.
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My solution would be expel the kids who deserve to be left behind and focus on the kids who want an education. This would be better for everyone.
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We have too much need for unskilled labor in this country to try and educate people who are unmotivated to achieve that education.
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yep.


Good read on it:

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A MINORITY VIEW
BY WALTER WILLIAMS
RELEASE: WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 2, 2011

Black Education

In my "Black Education Disaster" column (12/22/10), I presented National Assessment of Educational Progress test data that demonstrated that an average black high school graduate had a level of reading, writing and math proficiency of a white seventh- or eighth-grader. The public education establishment bears part of the responsibility for this disaster, but a greater portion is borne by black students and their parents, many of whom who are alien and hostile to the education process.

Let's look at the education environment in many schools and ask how conducive it is to the education process. According to the National Center for Education Statistics, nationally during 2007-2008, more than 145,000 teachers were physically attacked. Six percent of big-city schools report verbal abuse of teachers and 18 percent report non-verbal disrespect for teachers.

An earlier NCES study found that 18 percent of the nation's schools accounted for 75 percent of the reported incidents of violence, and 6.6 percent accounted for 50 percent. So far as serious violence, murder and rapes, 1.9 percent of schools reported 50 percent of the incidents. The preponderance of school violence occurs in big-city schools attended by black students.

What's the solution? Violence, weapons-carrying, gang activity and student or teacher intimidation should not be tolerated. Students engaging in such activity should be summarily expelled.

Some might worry about the plight of expelled students. I think we should have greater concern for those students whose education is made impossible by thugs and the impossible learning environment they create.

Another part of the black education disaster has to do with the home environment. More than 70 percent of black children are born to unwedded mothers, who are often themselves born to unwedded mothers. Today's level of female-headed households is new in black history. Until the 1950s, almost 80 percent of black children lived in two-parent households, as opposed to today's 35 percent.
Often, these unwedded mothers have poor parenting skills and are indifferent, and sometimes hostile, to their children's education. The resulting poorly behaving students should not be permitted to sabotage the education of students whose parents are supportive of the education process.

At the minimum, a mechanism such as tuition tax credit or educational voucher ought to be available to allow parents and children who care to opt out of failing schools. Some people take the position that we should repair not abandon failing schools. That's a vision that differs little from one that says that no black child's education should be improved unless we can improve the education of all black children.

What needs to be done is not rocket science. Our black ancestors, just two, three, four generations out of slavery, would not have tolerated school behavior that's all but routine today. The fact that the behavior of many black students has become acceptable and made excuses for is no less than a gross betrayal of sacrifices our ancestors made to create today's opportunities.

Some of today's black political leadership is around my age, 75, such as Reps. Maxine Waters, Charles Rangel, John Conyers, former Virginia governor Douglas Wilder, Jesse Jackson and many others. Forget that they are liberal Democrats but ask them whether their parents, kin or neighbors would have tolerated children cursing to, or in the presence of, teachers and other adults. Ask them what their parents would have done had they assaulted an adult or teacher. Ask whether their parents would have accepted the grossly disrespectful behavior seen among many black youngsters on the streets and other public places using foul language and racial epithets. Then ask why should today's blacks tolerate something our ancestors would not.

The sorry and tragic state of black education is not going to be turned around until there's a change in what's acceptable and unacceptable behavior by young people. The bulk of that change has to come from within the black community.

Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University. To find out more about Walter E. Williams and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.
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