curly

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OMG I'm first to post on a current event!

Thoughts anyone? WWIII?

curly

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Need that GIF with a frowning MJ.

soviet

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I'm sad

To me its pretty clear that this it was shot down by Russians - earlier today the 'self defense' forces claimed to
- have captured an Buk missile system from the Ukranians
- have shot down a Ukranian AN-24 cargo plane

then an hour later news surface that Malasya flight has gone missing, and all of a sudden those posts are promptly deleted. so far, no wreckage of AN-24 has been found.



But what makes me ******* FURIOUS are the hundreds and thousands Russian comments and posts that claim this is Ukraine provocaiton, that US was somehow involved, that the self-defense forces didn't do it, etc. Putin have said ****-all so far.

Braineack

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he was just trying to nationalize the airplane.

soviet

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There's a news aggregator site that's quite popular and allows to filter by country

Russian news:
http://mediametrics.ru/rating/ru/hour.html
Ukranian news:
http://mediametrics.ru/rating/ua/hour.html

even with broken auto-translate its pretty easy to see the difference in the media.

Monk

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From business insider: "An adviser to Ukraine's Interior Minister has said 23 U.S. citizens were among those on board who were killed in the crash."

petrolmed

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T_T Sadly, it looks like this crash is no coincidence. I hate to see bystanders bear the brunt of something they don't deserve. Oh humans, what will you do next? I guess we'll find out soon enough when this escalates.

Need to go read this front to back The World is Not as Bad as You Might Think - Miata Turbo Forum - Turbo Kitten is watching you test compression.

hornetball

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It was just an overflight too -- flight was completely unrelated to Ukraine or Russia. Airliner was cruising in the 30s when the missile hit. I've overflown that part of the world many times in airliners. When your number's up . . . .

Malaysian Airlines just isn't having any luck whatsoever.

TheScaryOne

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This thing stinks from every side. No way it didn't get shot down, and my money's on either the Russians outright or the Separatists. My question is, why did Kiev clear a civilian plane to go through hostile airspace? Hope? Happy thoughts?

hornetball

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The airlines have overflight agreements with all of those governments. That's part of establishing the route. They were flying the most fuel efficient path between Amsterdam and Kuala Lumpur. It's normal ops. I don't think anyone expected some crazies to be lobbing SAMs. I can't imagine that the SAM would have come from an armed force controlled by a legitimate government that had granted overflight rights and had positive identification of the airliner.

That said, I can't remember any country, other than the Soviet Union, that ever shot down an unarmed airliner filled with unlucky civilians. Anyone remember Korean Air Lines?

dieselmiata

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We did it in 1988. Iran flight 655.

TheScaryOne

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Israel did it to the Libyans in '73.

hornetball

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Forgot the Iran airlines flight. I was even frontline Navy at the time.

soviet

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There was another flight that was accidently shot down by Ukranian army in 2001
Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, thanks wikipedia!
List of airliner shootdown incidents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

hornetball

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Sobering. Interesting that WWII seems to have been a relatively safe time for the shooting down of airliners compared to recent decades. That says a lot.

Ryan_G

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I don't think there were that many commercial airliners flying around during WWII

hornetball

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True. Most had been converted to military transports.

TheScaryOne

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If you look, all of the pre-'73 civilian planes shot down were in chassis also used for military. Ju-52, DC-3's, DC-4, Lockheed Constellation.

Edit: In response to FRT_Fun's below comment, I add this:


I declare war on the world of anti-choice
On violent unilaterality
On the amassment of murderous high-tech toys
And all crimes against humanity

War on the moral majority
On corporate dot-com imperialism
On mindlessly bumbling stupidity
And police-state terrorism

World war three - be all that you can be

Edit 2: Also, a post from /pol/

FRT_Fun

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And to make matters worse......
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/wo...trip.html?_r=0

Braineack

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you know what they say:

If you keep lobbing bombs at your heavily armed neighbor, eventually he's going to lob a few thousand guided ones back.