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Old 09-01-2011, 11:35 PM   #41
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http://www.citmedialaw.org/sites/cit...-1764P-01A.pdf

Ruling from Monday at the circuit court level, affirming the lower court's ruling that ALSO said that taping the cops in public is not wiretapping.

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Citizens should not have to regularly defend their actions in court simply because police and the DA's office disregards or ignores established law. It's a bully tactic that relies on the average citizen deciding that fighting the charges is too much hassle.

Think the state is going to pay this guy's legal and court fees?
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I don't understand how these police officers and prosecutors can sleep at night.
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You know the way our government is going, Hitler seems pretty good at this point (excluding the holocaust of course).
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Citizens should not have to regularly defend their actions in court simply because police and the DA's office disregards or ignores established law. It's a bully tactic that relies on the average citizen deciding that fighting the charges is too much hassle.

Think the state is going to pay this guy's legal and court fees?
I think the outrage is more at the idea that it happened to the dude in the first place.

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Appeals Court Rules It Is Not Illegal To Film Police

Americans still being arrested for recording cops as a consequence of mass hoax

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Thursday, September 1, 2011



Despite the mass hoax still being promulgated by both the mainstream media and local authorities across America, the First Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that it is not illegal for citizens to videotape police officers when they are on public duty.

“The filming of government officials while on duty is protected by the First Amendment, said the Court,” reports Daily Tech.

“The filming of government officials engaged in their duties in a public place, including police officers performing their responsibilities, fits comfortably within these principles [of protected First Amendment activity].,” said the Court. “Gathering information about government officials in a form that can readily be disseminated to others serves a cardinal First Amendment interest in protecting and promoting the free discussion of governmental affairs,” stated the ruling, adding that this has been the case all along, and that the right to film police officers is not just restricted to the press.

The case cited several examples where citizens were arrested for documenting acts of police brutality on recording devices, including that of Simon Glik, who was arrested after he filmed Boston police punching a man on the Boston Common.

Another case involved Khaliah Fitchette, a teenager who filmed police aggressively removing a man from a bus in Newark. Fitchette was arrested and detained for two hours before police deleted the video from her cellphone.


The court ruling also made it clear that bloggers who report news based on their recordings of police have equal protection under the law as journalists.
“The proliferation of electronic devices with video-recording capability means that many of our images of current events come from bystanders with a ready cell phone or digital camera rather than a traditional film crew, and news stories are now just as likely to be broken by a blogger at her computer as a reporter at a major newspaper. Such developments make clear why the news-gathering protections of the First Amendment cannot turn on professional credentials or status,” stated the court.


Despite the ruling, state authorities in Illinois are still trying to prosecute 41-year old mechanic Michael Allison for recording police officers in public. Allison faces a life sentence on five separate counts of “eavesdropping” that add up to 75 years.

The Attorney General’s Office is determined to make an example out of Allison in a bid to intimidate the public against filming the actions of police. In brazenly disregarding the law as well as legal precedent (every single charge against people for filming police, including a recent case in Illinois, has been thrown out of court), authorities are clearly using official oppression in their vendetta against Allison.

Despite innumerable cases where charges have been dropped against citizens arrested for filming police, the mass media still constantly invokes the misnomer that it is illegal to record cops in public.

The fact that arrests are still occurring on a regular basis nationwide also underscores how police are being trained to enforce a law that doesn’t exist, before hitting victims of this hoax with charges more severe than those a murderer would expect to receive and expecting them to back down and plea bargain, a startling reflection of the cancerous criminality that has set the United States well on course to becoming a police state.

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Its time to turn this statement around:
The police wouldn't care if they are recorded unless they knew what they were doing was wrong.

If they guy was ramming a lense in the cops face like pappa-papparazzi, it could be obstruction...but that's obviously not the case.
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I don't understand how these police officers and prosecutors can sleep at night.
A lot of politician types are psychopaths. Psychopaths are master manipulators and liars, and are born with no empathy nor remorse. They say and do anything to get ahead. Think of the prototypical charming con artist, add political skill, and you have a pretty good picture.

Try googling "psychopaths and politicians":
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I betcha that guy has a long smooth baton he sticks in his *** every night...

I'm surprised the camera guy didnt ask him what he thinks about cops that are making their own law.
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It is unfortunate that today, so many of our personal interactions with police are negative. They are pulling us over arbitrarily and issuing revenue generating citations when convenient to them for exceeding artificially low posted speed limits or otherwise "hassling" most citizens that they interact with today.

If 90% of cops were "doing good" but you only ever interacting with ones that display the prototypical "bully" demeanor, you develop a negative bias. As car enthusiasts, that's almost always going to be our experience.

For example:
http://www.gainesville.com/article/2...10909932?tc=cr

On the bright side, there are good cops out there. I'm a member of a site that has a definite anti-shitty cop bias. We coined the term "FTC" and they made t-shirts with that slogan. However, they also do try and make an effort to recognize non-shitty cops.

For example:
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Of course there are good cops out there, just like the occasional good teacher!
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Just for kicks and giggles, what percentage of the police population do you think is good? By good I mean officers that carry on their jobs as they are supposed to.
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I'm sure it's a high percentage.
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I'd say 40% enforce the laws as they are, the rest make up their own laws in one way or another to benefit their actions.
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The problem is not just what percentage of cops are good, it's that even the good cops are required to enforce intrusive and unjust laws.
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These stuff is unacceptable.

That is why I stay away from cops as much as I can. Like I posted in another thread, I got a beatdown from male and female police officers many years ago. Back in the day in the era of film cameras, my buddy was prepping the photography gear and accidentally released the flash. There was a cop car right beside us, we got pulled over (the cops thought we took a picture at them), the ***** removed the film, destroyed it in the floor, and a good beatdown. Ah they were decent enough to give me back the camera as I did not resist arrest.
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The problem is not just what percentage of cops are good, it's that even the good cops are required to enforce intrusive and unjust laws.
I agree with this.

All types of people abuse authority. The thing that sucks about cops is that they enforce laws that many of them probably don't even know why themselves!!
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I watched "Changeling" the other day and got paranoid...and that happened like 50 years ago.
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There might be good cops out there, but I haven't met one yet. And since you never know which one you're gonna get, I can't give any of 'em the benefit of the doubt. For the most part, I think law enforcement attracts uneducated dickwads who enjoy the power trip that comes with a gun and a badge.

The only cop I knew personally (and briefly) was one of the biggest ******** I have ever met. Every story he had revolved around pulling people for no reason and ******* with them. And then there was the occasional story of beating up some kid who got "mouthy." Then he liked to brag about how he could get hammered and drive home, because if he got pulled over, his cop buddies would let him off.

A real swell guy.
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On a lighter note...

Just cops bein' cops.
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I'm sure.^

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