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Old 05-09-2011, 10:26 AM   #1
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The Obama administration has floated a transportation authorization bill that would require the study and implementation of a plan to tax automobile drivers based on how many miles they drive.
And he has the audacity to call this the Transportation Opportunities Act?!

An opportunity to put lipstick on before he ***** us? Taxing the same middle class you campaign on helping...smart.
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How will this work, the logistics are crazy. I would just roll back my odometer anyway. I forsee them trying to implement some form of GPS tracking due to people like me.
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I can see mileage implemented as a road tax in lieu of fuel taxes, but income taxes? Whatever happened to presidents who understood the basic principles of macro and microeconomics?

Hey, I've got an idea - how about implementing a law that limits how high credit card companies can raise interest rates on their cards - sounds good if you're a retard president, doesn't it? Unfortunately, as soon as you implement it, base interest rates on credit cards are going to skyrocket because of the increase in financial risk to the lender.
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I forsee them trying to implement some form of GPS tracking due to people like me.

That's the proposed idea. It'll never happen, but this is your Gov't at work.

Just wait till they are able to tap into your drive by wire, when they track you through GPS and stop your car as you wait for the MP to come arrest you for speeding.
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That's the proposed idea. It'll never happen, but this is your Gov't at work.

Just wait till they are able to tap into your drive by wire, when they track you through GPS and stop your car as you wait for the MP to come arrest you for speeding.
Soon enough I fear that will be the reality of this country.

Everyone should just form a LLC and write off mileage to compensate.
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Just like the "Potential Black Farmer" tax credit?
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That's the proposed idea. It'll never happen, but this is your Gov't at work.

Just wait till they are able to tap into your drive by wire, when they track you through GPS and stop your car as you wait for the MP to come arrest you for speeding.
You will also have to pay a fee for closing your throttle too fast, because this damages the environment.
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lol.

well played.
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I actually kind of like the idea. I know plenty of folks who choose to buy/rent in areas which are 30, 40 miles or more from where they work every day, for reasons which they are unable adequately to explain. Those folks are directly responsible for the daily congestion on all the major highways around here, and for consuming a significant percentage of the gasoline sold in this area, which translates to more vehicle emissions, which translates to stricter CARB regulation.

**** 'em. Live where you work, or work where you live.
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I work 5 miles from my job. It's one of the most expensive zip codes in the nation. I'd rather live 20 miles out where the prices drop off significantly. In my price range I cannot afford a house with a garage or even a driveway with a carport. I cannot afford a house with a yard, I cannot afford a house with 3 bedrooms and 2 baths. I cannot afford a house built later than 1920. I cannot afford a house that isn't in a neigborhood with chain linked fences and lowered pickup trucks.

If I move 20 miles west I could afford something with a 3 car garage, 6 bedrooms 4 baths, acres of land, etc etc etc.

living in/near the city sucks dick.


Why not improve roadways that were built in 1920? or increase speed limits? or increase oil refinery production?

an unconsitutional national tax to be able to drive you car is rediculous. I mean ****, I already pay .38c/gallon in taxes to state/fed. Each time I fill up the miata it's $3.8 in taxes. They want to tax me twice now?

hell in connecticut you pay .70c/gallon in taxes. LOLZ.



Here's a question, why does the state of CA impose a tax of $0.85/gallon on Diesel, but only 68.9c/gall on gasoline?
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There is just too many people. No way around this. Something will have to even everything out. I vote a massive world war.
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I drive 11.6 miles each way to work and back.

Tax the **** out of gasoline.
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I drive 11.6 miles each way to work and back.

Tax the **** out of gasoline.
I drive about 8 miles each way to work. I could move closer, and actually plan to, and then ride my bicycle.
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There is just too many people. No way around this. Something will have to even everything out. I vote a massive world war.

I vote a time machine. We could get rid of two facist presidents: Wilson and FDR.



all taxes will do in increase your costs and slow the economy. people will still be on the roads and the gov't will use the extra cash to buy more votes, not improve roads.

the federal gov't spends jack **** on infastructure. it's up to state and local gov't. yet the fed government makes up what 40% of our economy? way to go!
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Most days I can get to all the important places I need to be within a matter of miles. In the miata I can get from home to the shop in under 5 minutes. In the Taurus its closer to 10-15. lol

I think that our whole ******* government needs to be refurbished. We need to step back and look at whats going on and do something about it before it continues to spiral out of our control.

I try and stay out of the political threads on this board because although I respect a lot of the guys on here in a "fellow enthusiast" sort of way, I just cant fathom some of the views expressed by the same people regarding our government.
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All the stores near me are complete ****.

I used to live across the street form the "good" store, Harris Teeter. Completely overpriced food, seafood and meat department with shitty food, congested as hell cause its the only nice store in the area, never have stuff on shelves.

There's a Safeway across the street that no one goes to. **** is creepy, dark and dirty. No self checkout and the lines are typically longer than the isles.

All the bigger stores are in the mixing bowl areas. So they are nicer store in tashy locations. I make sure never to leave anything inside my car that could get stolen when I go there. I have to travel out of my way to go there, but the Giant I do shp at is large, newly renovated and always has what I need in stock. I just have to deal with all the mole people.

The Target is the only real "super" store. But it's small and overwhelmed with people who do not buy deorderant.

If I want to go to Walmart, I have to drive about 15 miles south (getting on a horrible highway or driving through multiple cities. or 20 miles west, getting on another highway.

Nothing new can be built here, there's no real estate. everything is old, everything is overrun by shady people popping out more shady people.

This is what I deal with to live close to the District. If I had my way I wouldn't live in VA anymore, or at least west of the Beltway where there is still developing areas, nice strip malls and every sort of store you can think of. Problem is, all the real jobs are back east in the city, so you have to commute.
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I work 5 miles from my job.
See, there's a problem already. I work 0 miles from my job.

I live about 5 miles from it, in a one bedroom apartment (with a garage). I could choose to buy a house a very long distance from where I work and commute every day. Actually, for a couple of months I shared a house w/ a fellow about 20 miles from here. It was significantly cheaper ($800 a month vs. $1,500) however the commute drove me nuts, so I moved.


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In my price range I cannot afford a house with a garage or even a driveway with a carport. I cannot afford a house with a yard, I cannot afford a house with 3 bedrooms and 2 baths. I cannot afford a house built later than 1920. I cannot afford a house that isn't in a neigborhood with chain linked fences and lowered pickup trucks.

If I move 20 miles west I could afford something with a 3 car garage, 6 bedrooms 4 baths, acres of land, etc etc etc.
Same here. Well, technically I could afford it, but it would be ridiculous for me to do so. Hence, I rent an apartment which suits my needs and is close to where I work.


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Why not improve roadways that were built in 1920?
Sounds like somebody needs to move to SoCal. We didn't even have roads in the '20s.

I'm quite happy with the condition of the roads here. 55 MPH indicated (60-65 actual) on El Camino Real and Palomar Airport Road is perfectly satisfactory, and the traffic flows smoothly. The only time Palomar really gets congested is when traffic is backed up onto it from people waiting to get onto I-5 or CA-78, said people being the folks who choose to live a great distance from where they work and thus need to burn several gallons a day getting between the two places.



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an unconsitutional national tax to be able to drive you car is rediculous.
Here is the first paragraph of Article 1, Section 8 of the US constitution:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
I'm pretty sure that a federal tax is not unconstitutional.



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Here's a question, why does the state of CA impose a tax of $0.85/gallon on Diesel, but only 68.9c/gall on gasoline?
They don't.

The current (effective July, 2011) CA tax rate on gasoline (excluding AVgas) is $0.357 / gal, and on diesel it is $.13 / gal. (The diesel tax was recently decreased from $.18 / gal.) Source: http://www.boe.ca.gov/sptaxprog/spftdrates.htm

Now, the Federal government does tax diesel more than gasoline. The most recent data I have here is from Jan 2010, which puts gasoline at $.184 and diesel at $.244.

So the combined effective (CA + Fed) tax would be $0.541 / gal on gasoline, and $0.374 / gal on diesel. Note that this excludes local sales tax and the State Underground Storage Tank Fee, which is a uniform $.02 / gal for all fuel types.
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the source I used shows more: http://www.api.org/statistics/fuelta...ry%20pages.pdf


I say unconstitutional because I doubt it will pay debts AND provide common defense AND general welfare. That and I'm a big haterz.

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Well, for one, that chart combines the state and federal taxes together. You'll note that the green portion of each bar is the same for every state? That's the Federal tax (the so-called Excise tax).

Also, the rates in CA recently changed, which is not reflected in that chart. 3

And last, the bars include an average figure for things like general sales tax, county and local tax, and other fees which are not, strictly speaking, fuel taxes. If you include sales tax in this argument, for instance, you might as well cry about how CA levies a tax on shirts and personal lubricant.

Still, the basic trend in the chart is accurate, and should not be surprising. California always ranks towards the upper end when it comes to taxes related to carbon-emitting devices including motor vehicles. The CARB bureaucracy doesn't pay for itself.
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the rent is too damn high.
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