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Old 04-08-2011, 03:27 PM   #1
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We get our LES's (Leave and Earnings Statement) twice a month, about a week before the 1st and again before the 15th (our two pay days.) Just checked mine for the 15th of this month and due to the wonderful folks we elected to Washington, I(as well as every other service member) will only be receiving pay for the first 8 days of this month. The government is "not required" to back pay "non-essential" personnel (which somehow even though I'm in Afghanistan I still fall under) for the first 30 days of a shutdown, however Obama and all of Congress will still be receiving their pay as usual..


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Nice way to take care of the people who defend our country. This is inexcusable.
Thanks for your service!
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A) This belongs in the "Politics" section.

B) You should get payed, you've earned it.

C) Everyone in Congress is responsible for passing the budget. It's as much one sides "fault" for the budget not being passed as the other. 'Ya cant put it on President Obama too much. I didn't like Pres. Bush but I recognize the man had a lot on his plate.
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I'll blame last year's congress for not getting this budget out in October when it was supposed to be done.

And yeah, wrong section. Moved.
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I'm a gov't contractor and my wife is a federal employee.

I also blame the 2010 Congress. But now GOP is being dumb with the Planned Parenthood rider.

Daddy needs a paycheck.
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So... they're not expecting you to work after today are they? That's ridiculous.

On another note, leave it to the government to have employees that they themselves deem to be "non-essential". I'd love to see that in private industry, "Yeah, we've got our regular employees, then we've got some other guys that we don't really need but we just like to keep them on the payroll anyway..."
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So... they're not expecting you to work after today are they? That's ridiculous.
Oh yes, we are definitely expected to go about business as usual.
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Old 04-08-2011, 05:26 PM   #8
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Nice way to take care of the people who defend our country. This is inexcusable.
I have absolutely no problem with it. If this is what it takes to get the country to WAKE THE **** UP, then I'll come to work with no pay for awhile.

I can't wait for Trump to announce he's running for President.
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I'm military as well. I'd rather see a government shutdown than a government bankruptcy.

The difference between the two sides:

The Democrats' proposal will bankrupt us.

The Republicans' proposal will bankrupt us slower.

I'm down for Trump to run this country. He is a brilliant economist, and has fantastic ideas for getting us back on track. The best part, in my opinion, is the fact that Trump claims he doesn't *want* to be president. I want ALL of my future presidents to not *want* to be president.

Anyone care to take a gander at which elected president was the first to be reluctant to take a presidency?

I'm ready to see a law that requires the government to run at a surplus or break-even whenever there's a federal debt. Whatever happened to Kasich's balanced budget?
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A couple of guys noticed that same thing today at the office. However, I think you're a little off base with your presumption that you (we) won't get back pay. Everything I've heard thus far indicates that military members will all recieve their due back pay when the new budget is passed. I also believe that enlistment contracts state that the government only HAS to pay once a month, paying twice a month is just for convenience.
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A couple of guys noticed that same thing today at the office. However, I think you're a little off base with your presumption that you (we) won't get back pay. Everything I've heard thus far indicates that military members will all recieve their due back pay when the new budget is passed. I also believe that enlistment contracts state that the government only HAS to pay once a month, paying twice a month is just for convenience.
Yes, the military will get back pay. It is not in the government's best interest to let you walk away from the military by breaking your enlistment contract.
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Anyone care to take a gander at which elected president was the first to be reluctant to take a presidency?
Washington?

They told us that anybody who is still required to work will receive back-pay, they just don't know if they will be paying those of us who are not "essential".

And about the not-essential thing, it's not that they have a bunch of people around that they don't need, (that's another story completely) it's that some people are essential to the safety and security of the country while others are not. FBI, Border patrol, and Military are "essential" while the people who run the gift shop at Yellowstone aren't needed quite as urgently, though they are still federal employees.
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C) Everyone in Congress is responsible for passing the budget. It's as much one sides "fault" for the budget not being passed as the other. 'Ya cant put it on President Obama too much.
Maybe not, but it can be put on the Democrats as a whole. Don't forget the Democrats controlled the House , Senate and Executive branch when this budget was supposed to be passed. They could have pushed through any budget they wanted but they didn't.
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A guy sitting on deployment is non-essential? There is no logic in that at all. I think should now be obligated to pay you interest on wages not paid.

The AF decided my contract didn't mean anything either. I was supposed to enter active duty within 6 months and start getting paid, however due to 'the needs of the Air Force' I get to sit on my thumbs for another year. Woo-hoo U.S. gov't, way to have it together.
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A guy sitting on deployment is non-essential? There is no logic in that at all. I think should now be obligated to pay you interest on wages not paid.
Where are you getting your information on "esssential"?

And the military isn't going to pay interest on back pay. Military already pays 2 weeks sooner than just about any other large employer - every single paycheck.
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I think should now be obligated to pay you interest on wages not paid.
That's a good idea. It's about time we treat people who serve better. They give so much and yet get very little in return. They also sometimes come back worse off than when they left and have to deal with issues the rest of their lives.

And for what? Some politician's agenda or misguided ideals.
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I'm military as well. I'd rather see a government shutdown than a government bankruptcy.

The difference between the two sides:

The Democrats' proposal will bankrupt us.

The Republicans' proposal will bankrupt us slower.

I'm down for Trump to run this country. He is a brilliant economist, and has fantastic ideas for getting us back on track. The best part, in my opinion, is the fact that Trump claims he doesn't *want* to be president. I want ALL of my future presidents to not *want* to be president.

Anyone care to take a gander at which elected president was the first to be reluctant to take a presidency?

I'm ready to see a law that requires the government to run at a surplus or break-even whenever there's a federal debt. Whatever happened to Kasich's balanced budget?

The idea of a solid quality businessman running this country continues to intrigue me more and more.



As to what is happening to the Gentlemen and Ladies in uniform...I'm sorry guys, that **** is wrong.
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I think the whole situation is ridiculous. They're fighting over pennies in the grand scheme of things. Just pass the budget and figure out a long term solution to reduce the deficit.
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As to what is happening to the Gentlemen and Ladies in uniform...I'm sorry guys, that **** is wrong.
Agreed.

They should be paid out of the politician's pockets if necessary. Why do the politicians who got us in this mess get to keep getting paid anyway? If I don't do my job, I would get fired. What makes them special?
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FYI, Senate unanimously voted earlier this week to suspend their pay during a shutdown.

The HoR wouldn't pass a similar vote because "they need their paychecks because they have families" or some equally idiotic bullshit.
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