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Old 04-08-2011, 08:57 PM   #21
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I'll believe it when I see it. I have yet to find an honest politician. They'll come up with some bs about the HoR not doing it and since there's no consensus, the motion is shelved until we can reach some common ground.

I will gladly eat my words if they prove me wrong. It's a price I'm willing to pay.
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Old 04-08-2011, 09:03 PM   #22
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It's not even really about the money (sure that is still important), it's the fact that they let it get this far. Honestly in the eyes of a lot of soldiers this is a big "**** You". Yes we swore to protect the Constitution and the people. But we also have an obligation to our dependents.

What makes me even more mad is the fact that we are for the most part, disciplined, they know they can do this and get away with it. We are not just going to not come to work.
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Old 04-08-2011, 09:08 PM   #23
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Where are you getting your information on "esssential"?

And the military isn't going to pay interest on back pay. Military already pays 2 weeks sooner than just about any other large employer - every single paycheck.
I know they aren't going to pay interest on anything. They collect interest on our taxes every single day and then pay us what they owe us from when we over payed to begin with. Do we ever see that interest they collected on our money, nope not a chance.

As for essential... if you are ordered to be in a hostile country away from your home and family, you are essential IMO. Non-essential people can stay home from the office and effectively be laid off. Not so easy with a 35 hour flight in between work and home.
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I'm fairly certain they consider the deployed soldiers essential. Which is why they will still be working, and get back paid what they are owed.

I highly doubt this will last longer than a month.
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Old 04-08-2011, 09:18 PM   #25
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I know they aren't going to pay interest on anything. They collect interest on our taxes every single day and then pay us what they owe us from when we over payed to begin with. Do we ever see that interest they collected on our money, nope not a chance.

As for essential... if you are ordered to be in a hostile country away from your home and family, you are essential IMO. Non-essential people can stay home from the office and effectively be laid off. Not so easy with a 35 hour flight in between work and home.
Deployed military ARE considered essential, silly.

As far as the *interest* that the govt collects on your paid taxes, consider this: It's not as if they collect all of your tax money in a bank account over the year and get interest on it. You have the right to pay all of your taxes in one lump sum on April 15th of the year after you earn your income...experience says that you, as an average citizen, are not well disciplined enough to do that; so as a service to you, the government has offered to collect approximately the correct amount of pay from your taxes at each paycheck to aid you in your budgeting.

Also consider that by collecting your taxes when you actually earn the money, the government is not paying interest on another $3.6 trillion in loans/year. This effectively reduces government expenditures....or did you want to help unbalance the budget?
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Old 04-08-2011, 09:25 PM   #26
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Deployed military ARE considered essential, silly.

As far as the *interest* that the govt collects on your paid taxes, consider this: It's not as if they collect all of your tax money in a bank account over the year and get interest on it. You have the right to pay all of your taxes in one lump sum on April 15th of the year after you earn your income...experience says that you, as an average citizen, are not well disciplined enough to do that; so as a service to you, the government has offered to collect approximately the correct amount of pay from your taxes at each paycheck to aid you in your budgeting.

Also consider that by collecting your taxes when you actually earn the money, the government is not paying interest on another $3.6 trillion in loans/year. This effectively reduces government expenditures....or did you want to help unbalance the budget?
Who are you and why do you speak with reason and logic about such things?
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George Washington was reluctant to become President.

Trump's casinos went bankrupt 3 times.

Remember, we owe most of our debt to each other. Not saying the gov doesn't need to balance the budget, just that we don't owe all our debt to different countries.
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Old 04-08-2011, 10:36 PM   #28
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Maybe not, but it can be put on the Democrats as a whole. Don't forget the Democrats controlled the House , Senate and Executive branch when this budget was supposed to be passed. They could have pushed through any budget they wanted but they didn't.
Either side could give a little (I think there both doin' that now) to get the budget passed. Finger pointing doesn't get anyone anywhere, it just waists time.
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Anyone care to take a gander at which elected president was the first to be reluctant to take a presidency?
Washington.

And in fact, he was reluctant to be more than just president. In May of 1782, near the end of the Revolutionary War, Colonel Lewis Nicola wrote a letter in which he lamented what he perceived as the rather lackluster performance of the Congress, and floated the idea that a King of America be named, suggesting that the crown might be apportioned to then-General Washington.

(This idea is not as absurd as it seems to us today. Back then, monarchies were still a very common form of government.)

According to most accounts, Washington was reviled by the prospect.
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Washington is correct. The great minds which built this country voted unanimously that a man whom didn't want anything to do with leading this new nation would be best suited for the job.
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I guess they forgot to pass the budget while they were so busy trying to enact Obamacare. (which we all so desperately wanted, right?)

Personally, I'm with Sam. I can afford a shutdown for a few months IOT draw attention to the problems in the legislature. Yeah, I'm deployed, I work a 16-hour shift right now since I'm the only Soldier on base doing my particular job. I'm going to consider myself lucky to have a job, at this point.
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Old 04-08-2011, 11:58 PM   #32
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Boehner just said they've reached an agreement, there will be no shutdown, a short term CR will be voted on tonight to keep the gov't working while the actual agreed upon bill is written and voted. Obama won't veto the short CR.
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For what it's worth, at the same time that Nicola was suggesting that we crown a king, the military hadn't been paid in about a year.
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Direct quote from Obama: "...beginning to live within our means..."

There might be a sliver of intelligence in this man after all...
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Yes, It appears as cooler, more reasonable heads have prevailed. We still have a fully functioning Government. Compromising and budget cutting at the same time. This could be a nice trend.
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You have the right to pay all of your taxes in one lump sum on April 15th of the year after you earn your income.
Actually, you don't. If you try to do that you will have to pay penalties. You have to at least make quarterly payments of what you estimate 25% of your annual income WILL be.

If you don't file quarterlies, you will be penalized. Heck, even if you have a regular job, get a W2 and have regular withholding, but decide to claim 15 dependents to get virtually all of your money in your check, if you owe the government too much, you can be penalized. On the other side of the coin, pay way too much and get a huge refund? No interest for you.
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Either side could give a little (I think there both doin' that now) to get the budget passed. Finger pointing doesn't get anyone anywhere, it just waists time.
I do have to agree with you there. If we could all find some common ground the world would run a lot smoother. Then I could spend the rest of my days drinking exotic liquors and watching midget ****.
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Hard to find common ground with people when you're taking their entitlements away.
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