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Old 07-22-2011, 02:58 PM   #1
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Default Obama just pushed asthmatic kids over a cliff.

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Everybody knows that it makes no sense that you send a kid to the emergency room for a treatable illness like asthma, they end up taking up a hospital bed, it costs, when, if you, they just gave, you gave them treatment early and they got some treatment, and a, a breathalyzer, or inhalator, not a breathalyzer. (crowd laughing) I haven’t had much sleep in the last 48 hours.

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The only over-the-counter asthma inhaler sold in the United States will no longer be available next year as part of an international agreement to stop the use of substances that damage the environment.

Primatene Mist (epinephrine) is approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for the temporary relief of occasional symptoms of mild asthma. FDA urges those who use Primatene Mist to see a health care professional soon to switch to another asthma medicine.

Primatene Mist inhalers are being discontinued because they use chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) as a propellant (spray) to move the medicine out of the inhaler so patients can breathe the medicine into their lungs.
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It's well known that asthmatics hate nature.
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lol @ inhalers damaging the environment. Especially over asthma problems.
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and you want this administration to handle your health care?
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politic discussions as usual......only half of the story. I expect more out of you brain.

“There are many other safe and effective medications to treat the symptoms of asthma,” says Badrul Chowdhury, M.D., Ph.D., director of FDA’s Division of Pulmonary, Allergy, and Rheumatology Products. But you need to find out if you really have asthma—not just pick another over-the-counter medicine, adds Chowdhury. “If you have breathing problems but have not been diagnosed by a health care professional, it’s important to see one. Not all breathing problems are asthma, so you need to get an accurate diagnosis and the proper medicine.”

"What other inhalers can I use for my asthma?
There are inhalers that have another medicine that can treat asthma, such as albuterol HFA inhalers. Hydrofluoroalkanes (HFAs) are different propellants (spray) than CFCs and HFAs don’t harm the environment. You will need a doctor’s prescription to buy these."

"Albuterol HFA inhalers are metered-dose inhalers that you use in the same way as you use the epinephrine CFC inhalers.
Albuterol HFA inhalers are safe and effective for these FDA approved uses: treatment or prevention of bronchospasm in patients with reversible obstructive airway disease, including asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)."
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Really? We're scared that people are self-medicating with OTC asthma inhalers?
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What other inhalers can I use for my asthma?
There are inhalers that have another medicine that can treat asthma, such as albuterol HFA inhalers. Hydrofluoroalkanes (HFAs) are different propellants (spray) than CFCs and HFAs don’t harm the environment. You will need a doctor’s prescription to buy these."

"Albuterol HFA inhalers are metered-dose inhalers that you use in the same way as you use the epinephrine CFC inhalers.
Albuterol HFA inhalers are safe and effective for these FDA approved uses: treatment or prevention of bronchospasm in patients with reversible obstructive airway disease, including asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)."
HFAs require a doctors visit ($) & prescription ($$) & cost more ($$$).

Hopefully Asthma patients are allowed to get a 12-month supply, because when you need an inhaler, you need one NOW.


Maybe the FDA should ban hairspray too, seems logical?
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Seriously?

The FDA banned inhalers which use chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) propellants in 2008, recommending the use of hydrofluorocarbon (HFA) propellants instead. Source: http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/.../ucm076979.htm


This was done in accordance with the Montreal Protocol, to which the US became a signatory in 1987. Specifically, the US' participation was endorsed by then-president Ronald Reagan (who was not a liberal):
To the Senate of the United States:

I transmit herewith, for the advice and consent of the Senate to ratification, the Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer, done at Montreal on September 16, 1987. The report of the Department of State is also enclosed for the information of the Senate.

(...)

I recommend that the Senate give early and favorable consideration to the Protocol and give its advice and consent to ratification.

Ronald Reagan
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December 21, 1987
Source: http://www.epa.gov/history/topics/montreal/01.html


The New England Journal of Medicine (arguably among the most respected publications in medical science) states:
Several reengineered albuterol inhalers that use HFAs in place of CFCs as propellants have been developed and are now widely available on the U.S. market and worldwide. Clinical trials in children and adults with asthma have demonstrated that when these HFA albuterol products are administered at the FDA-approved dose, their efficacy and safety profiles are similar to those of the CFC albuterol products they are intended to replace.
Source: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra050380



R-134a costs more than R-12, but I think we all handled that transition without too much grief. And R-134a isn't even covered by Medicare / Medicaid.



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Maybe the FDA should ban hairspray too, seems logical?
They did ban hairspray containing CFCs. Years ago, in fact. Along with darn near everything else containing CFC propellants.
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The problem really is that there is now no EPA approved over-the-counter inhaler due to some stupid an international agreement. This also assumes you believe a few squirt from an inhaler depleats the ozone.
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So CFCs bad for the environment, yet inhaling that is ok?

Also, Scott, it seems that JasonC has access to your account
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They did ban hairspray containing CFCs. Years ago, in fact. Along with darn near everything else containing CFC propellants.

and now they contain VOCs and carcinogens which everyone freaks out about.



And do you know how annoying it is to buy real pseudophedrine?!?!?!?!? I'm probably on a meth watch list.
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I'm probably on a meth watch list.
We're watching you as you typed that. Stop masturbating so hard and maybe you won't have shortness of breath
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I'm always being watched.
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And do you know how annoying it is to buy real pseudophedrine?!?!?!?!?
Yes. Before you swipe your credit / debit card, you have to first hand your drivers license to the clerk, and then tap a button on the screen and sign you name on a line saying that you promise not to operate a meth lab.(,.,.,.,.,.)

Additionally, the medications themselves have been moved by several feet and are now located on a shelf immediately behind the counter rather than immediately in front of it, thus increasing the amount of human interaction which I must be subjected to by several seconds.

In many stores, they have put stacks of printed cards on the "old" shelf which resemble the front of the box of medication which formerly occupied that space, so you can minimize the number of additional sounds which you are required to utter by picking up one of these cards and handing it to the clerk in lieu of using words and sentences to express thoughts. The context of your actions in this case is generally understood to mean "please give me the thing that looks like this card," and not, for instance "please tell me about your religious beliefs," or "My name is Pusha, and I enjoy having unprotected sex with farm animals," so the system works reasonably well.

I am quite allergic to dogs and cats, so I find that I must endure this cruel and horrifying abuse with some regularity.
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But why do you so readily accept the bogusness? It's a minor annoyance, but very unnessecary.
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But why do you so readily accept the bogusness? It's a minor annoyance, but very unnessecary.
Because if we can trick criminals into promising they won't commit a crime, then society wins. Because they PROMISED.




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Based on this principle, I'm also working on a crime-reduction plan in which I dare criminals to not commit crimes. And they won't, because I DOUBLE DOG DARED them.
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Because if we can trick criminals into promising they won't commit a crime, then society wins. Because they PROMISED.




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Based on this principle, I'm also working on a crime-reduction plan in which I dare criminals to not commit crimes. And they won't, because I DOUBLE DOG DARED them.
And that's why gun control laws are fail.
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