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Old 05-07-2012, 06:09 PM   #41
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i dont need pills. im not weak.


I played original classics like "why cant the government get a job" and "politically fucked" in my band when i was like 13 years old.
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Old 05-07-2012, 07:44 PM   #42
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-expansion of domestic energy production -- debatable. he's killing off nuclear and coal energy, he's causing energy to be more expensive, all his alternative energy investments have been failures. Not something I'd want to be proud of.
Oil production is at an 8 year high. That's more what I was getting at.
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-repeal of don't ask, don't tell -- now if he could only close Gitmo...
Gitmo is only something that the far left cares about. I mean, are you really upset that it's still open? Or are you just bringing it up in an attempt to show a promise he didn't fulfill?
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-Bin Laden -- this had nothing to do with president Obama
I wouldn't say nothing but I thought I made it clear that it was more being at the right place at the right time than anything.
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sure i could get a loan. but spending $80 a month on gas is better than $400 a month on a car note plus $38 a month on gas.
$80 a month on gas? I'm jealous. I'm at ~$250/month and my car gets 30 mpg.
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does that make any sense? we just got in a horrible recession, everyone is losing jobs left and right, and here the gov't is trying to save the day by giving you free money if you spend another 15K.

sure it might have "helped" the auto industry, but they got a bail out themselves anyways and the top car sales were mostly forgien companies without plants here at home.
False.

Here is the top 10 cars that were sold under the program. All of these companies have plants in the US:
1 Ford Focus
2 Toyota Corolla
3 Honda Civic
4 Toyota Prius
5 Toyota Camry
6 Ford Escape
7 Hyundai Elantra
8 Dodge Caliber
9 Honda Fit
10 Chevy Cobalt
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I saw this a while back, they were accused of skewing the facts to show small econo cars where purchased the most under cash for clunkers by dividing all the trucks and SUVs into different lines based on 2 or 4wd and other options.

Edmunds.com: Top Clunker Buys
The most purchased vehicles under Cash for Clunkers if 2WD and 4WD versions are included.
Rank Vehicle Includes Includes 4WD Includes Hybrid
1 Ford Escape Yes Yes
2 Ford Focus No No
3 Jeep Patriot Yes No
4 Dodge Caliber Yes No
5 Ford F-150 Yes No
6 Honda Civic No Yes
7 Chevrolet Silverado Yes Yes
8 Chevrolet Cobalt No No
9 Toyota Corolla No No
10 Ford Fusion Yes Yes

Edmunds also estimated every car purchased under cash for clunkers cost the tax payers like 24000 dollars, dont remember how, its been along time since I read it
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Oil production is at an 8 year high. That's more what I was getting at.
This has no bearing whatsoever on anything we are talking about. If I told you 80% of the increases of oil production were not due to government, then what? Private companies are producing more oil to sell to forgien countries for a profit. Technically, if you do the math, we are only producing like ~5% more oil than during the Bush years with regards to gov't policy.

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Gitmo is only something that the far left cares about. I mean, are you really upset that it's still open? Or are you just bringing it up in an attempt to show a promise he didn't fulfill?
Just giving another example of how great of a person he is.

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I wouldn't say nothing but I thought I made it clear that it was more being at the right place at the right time than anything.
I would absolutely say nothing. He didn't do jack ---- but give an order that said go ahead with a mission. he did nothing else. Hell, his lawyers drafted a statement that if the mission failed took away zero responsibilty from him and put it all on the shoulders of McRaven, who was in charge of the mission.

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$80 a month on gas? I'm jealous. I'm at ~$250/month and my car gets 30 mpg.
Actually it's less. But we can do the math.

I drive about 65miles a week and averaging somewhere betwen 20-22mpg in the miata. So let's say 21mpg and 3.1 gallon of gas a week (premium).

When I drive the altima which averages 17-19mpg on the same drive.

Using that as a model for the clunker program, and pretending I bought a new gas thrifty car, that would be 3.6 gallons a week on 87 octane.

so a difference of like $50 a month (miata) vs. $54 a month (altima).

A whooping $48 a year saving if I sold my 18mpg car and bought a brand new one that averaged 21mpg city. Lets even go to the extreme and say I sold hte altima and got a hyuandi and it made 28mpg...the difference is $54 a month vs. $35. a $228 a year savings, plus all the additional money I spent buying the car.

It doesn't really add up.


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False.

Here is the top 10 cars that were sold under the program. All of these companies have plants in the US:
1 Ford Focus
2 Toyota Corolla
3 Honda Civic
4 Toyota Prius
5 Toyota Camry
6 Ford Escape
7 Hyundai Elantra
8 Dodge Caliber
9 Honda Fit
10 Chevy Cobalt
I did misspeak. But still, all the profits went to large companies that didnt need a bailout, half being forgien companies. taking money from the taxpayers and giving it out as an incentive to promote large wealthy companies is disgraceful.



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The most purchased vehicles under Cash for Clunkers if 2WD and 4WD versions are included.
I'd believe it, they wanted people to feel good about getting all the trucks and SUVs off the road and into small passenger cars. so of course the government would skew the data to give the results they wanted.
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Before discussion of how taxes are collected, the more important issue of what % of GDP the gov't is allowed to consumer. I think 15% is a good number - state only. The fed gov should be funded by the states, and not directly by the people.

And then I think the only reasonable tax is a straight sales tax on everything, except used goods. Anything else smacks of social engineering and will distort the market and will be open to corporatism.
You’re in la la land if you think sales tax only system won't result in social engineering even more so than income tax.

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Before discussion of how taxes are collected, the more important issue of what % of GDP the gov't is allowed to consumer. I think 15% is a good number - state only. The fed gov should be funded by the states, and not directly by the people.

And then I think the only reasonable tax is a straight sales tax on everything, except used goods. Anything else smacks of social engineering and will distort the market and will be open to corporatism.
im not tryin to discuss the tax system in this thread
i was just wondering if that you thought that our current system, as it stands, is a fraud or not.

especially considering how these taxes came into play
wethor or not it truly is legal
its bs how they got passed
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You’re in la la land if you think sales tax only system won't result in social engineering even more so than income tax.

Bob
?? Pls. explain.
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He won the WVA democratic primary:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...a-primary.html

that's a big accomplisment apparently, considering how narrow the margin was.
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Is this guy for real?
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