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Old 05-08-2012, 02:18 AM   #1
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These people belong in jail. I'm pretty furious over this. I think it's time to type up a manifesto.
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Holy crap that is awful
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I like how Representative Debbie justifies the fraudulent voting because she has to get paid six figures to work long hours without pee pee breaks.
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Who here continues to believe in conferring power to a small bunch of individuals in order to solve society's problems?
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Who here continues to believe in conferring power to a small bunch of individuals in order to solve society's problems?

but they are smarter than you. video is case and point.
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WTF? How does this ---- happen and not be stopped. My mind = blown
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This is an old video... they won't get in trouble...they never do...

Would you pull yourself over for speeding??
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Unreal. This is where I just want to give up.
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Old vid. Repost. Been going on forever. We're fucked.
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Sorry bro :/ Didn't see you walking over to your desk to vote.
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I'd love to run onto the floor and push everyone's ----.
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Who here continues to believe in conferring power to a small bunch of individuals in order to solve society's problems?
As compared to handing true democratic power over to the great uneducated masses?

I do.
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As compared to handing true democratic power over to the great uneducated masses?

I do.
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The United States was never intended to be a true democracy. It was designed as a Republic where the masses elect leaders and those relatively few leaders make the decisions. People seem to forget this. The general populous is very uneducated and should not have any power over decisions on a national scale.
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it was designed as a republic where the masses elect leaders and those relatively few leaders make relatively few decisions. People seem to forget this.
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Indeed- direct democracy was something that the founders of the US specifically feared and reviled, as it opens the door to the tyranny of the masses.
"A pure democracy can admit no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will be felt by a majority, and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party. Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."

-James Madison

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As compared to handing true democratic power over to the great uneducated masses?

I do.
No, as opposed to gov't only protecting individual and property rights and little else. Society will solve most problems better than gov't can. This is NOT the same as "democracy".

The gov't today already acts like a pure democracy by propagandazing people into believing we are a democracy (see "spreading democracy") and into believing that they are exerting the "will of the people". This is why they are so busy and how they constantly get away with ---- every single day.
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The United States was never intended to be a true democracy. It was designed as a Republic where the masses elect leaders and those relatively few leaders make the decisions. People seem to forget this. The general populous is very uneducated and should not have any power over decisions on a national scale.
Agreed. What I am advocating is small gov't, not "democracy".
This would include de-centralization of power and a return to a more "common law" type of gov't.

What most people seem to believe in, is a gov't that always "has to do something". The megalomaniacs in power LOVE this.
Kids getting drunk by squirting hand sanitizer into their soda? Federal War on hand sanitizer! Toyotas accelerating unintentionally? Mandate ECU code that precludes left-foot braking! Steroid use in baseball? Federal War on Steroids!

Here's interesting reading on the pitfalls of democracy:
- http://www.lewrockwell.com/hoppe/hoppe4.html
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Agreed. What I am advocating is small gov't, not "democracy".
This would include de-centralization of power and a return to a more "common law" type of gov't.
Hmm. That's not what it sounded like. To me, the opposite of (or alternative to) "conferring power to a small bunch of individuals in order to solve society's problems" would be "conferring power to a large group of individuals in order to solve society's problems."

And that would be a Bad Thing™.


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Society will solve most problems better than gov't can.
I very seriously doubt that.

As individuals, most people are reasonably sane and rational. But as a group, people tend to be stupid, panicky, irrational, and prone to herd mentality, particularly in the presence of sensationalist elements.


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This is NOT the same as "democracy".
I'm willing to hear your explanation as to how "allowing society to solve its own problems" differs meaningfully from direct democracy.



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What most people seem to believe in, is a gov't that always "has to do something".
And that's the problem in handing power directly to the masses. Instead of merely expecting someone else to solve their problems, they will attempt to do so themselves, without regard for the rate at which they are depleting fiscal resources in so doing.

From what I can tell, the majority of Americans can't even manage their own personal finances responsibly. Why do you believe that a million Joe Sixpacks, collectively, can solve society's problems?
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I'm willing to hear your explanation as to how "allowing society to solve its own problems" differs meaningfully from direct democracy.
Why are you assuming that those individuals must agree on one solution that is then enforced on everyone (direct democracy), rather than assuming that in the absence of government intervention, individuals could simply make decisions for themselves, or for their familes, or for their businesses and let other individuals choose as they please?
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nah, we should ban bake sales.
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