thenuge26

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Warning, this is pretty graphic.

The first video, which shows nothing graphic, but is helpful for context:

The second video, which is quite graphic:


Reddit started another witch hunt based ONLY on the second one. After seeing the first one, I gotta say it looks like it's 99% the dudes fault. It sucks that his dog died, but he could have easily prevented that.

Braineack

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the dude's fault as in the pathetic-excuse-for-a-human-that-would-shoot-a-dog-multipl- times-for-no-reason? Yeah, it was the "dude's" fault all right.

Ryan_G

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I fail to see how that first video added any extra context. His dog was in the car and it was plain for anyone to see what was going to happen. All they had to do was make sure the dog was properly restrained when it started barking. The dog didn't even really attack. It lunged up at him but it was far from viscous at that point.

I chose not to watch that video the first time. I wish I had stayed with that choice because I am pretty sure that just kind of ruined my day.

Doppelgänger

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Yup, typical trash piece of **** person putting themselves into the situation by acting like a ******* moron. If it weren't for the stupid **** with his "I'll do what the **** I want" attitude, he would still have his dog. But no, he had to create a scene, leave his shitty music blasting next to an already tense scene, then exchange words with the police...then leave his dog in the car with no restraint. No one to blame but the ******* owner.


It makes it very clear- the owner displayed NO regard to the situation. He HAD to pull over, he HAD to leave his music BLASTING, he HAD to get his dog out, he HAD to start words with the police, he HAD to put his dog in the car with open windows and no restraint. The first video shows him making all the choices that led to the end result.

soviet

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He deserved it for filming vertically.

Tekel

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I see a cop armed and ready to defend himself. He tried 2 separate times to get the dogs restraint. Both times the dog was the agressor. The 2nd time the dog was almost successful in its attack.

That entire situation was the owners fault.

Ryan_G

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The guy was obviously a ***** to a certain degree. He also did nothing that warranted the police arresting him. He did not breach an established perimeter and the last I checked the police can't arrest you for being a dick.

I read that his music was a distraction and they had asked him to turn it down to which he refused but I can't really hear that in the video to confirm it either way. The thing is the guy took initial steps to put the dog out of the way. Once the dog started barking it was clear to everyone what was going to happen and they had ample time to diffuse it before the dog actually jumped out of the window. Why not use pepper spray first or a tazer before using the gun? It is not like he had no other choice. I am not saying the cop is some evil human being but the gun should not be the first tool you use when there are 3 officers and the owner right there who was not even resisting.

Right when the guy walked up to me and I saw the dog hanging out of the window I would have asked him to please return to his vehicle first and actually restrain his dog. It is just common ******* sense and I hold officers to the highest degree possible due to their position.

Braineack

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thats racist.

if a dog is attacking you, you reach for the lease? how will that help you?

the dog never attacks a first time...

OH I GET IT! Since the owner is a complete moron, he deserves to be arrested on a bogus charge that would later get dropped and his dog shot.


Blue state poster.

Braineack

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I am.

Joe Perez

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Judging by the sound, it seems that they did attempt to use non-lethal force first.


I'm going to be honest here. If I am every in a situation such as that, and I am armed, and a large rottweiler jumps up towards me while barking, I am going to shoot the dog.

Ryan_G

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Lets be honest Joe, you would never have let the situation get to that point because you would have seen a large rot hanging out of the window and thought, "You know if I physically restrain this dogs owner it is probably going to get riled up and jump out of the window of that car. I should probably have him properly restrain his dog first."

Maybe I am giving people too much credit for how they analyze situations but I tend to have pretty good situational awareness so that I don't get hit by cars crossing the street, get sucker punched by someone I am pissing off at a bar, etc. It just called paying attention and using your brain. As a police officer I would think this would be paramount to your training.

What are the risk factors here? How can I mitigate them to make this a safer encounter?

How it shouldn't go is let go in hard first and just adapt to the situation as **** starts going south.

EDIT: I mean seriously, you can hear the guy holding the video camera predicting everything that is going to happen before it happens because it is just that ******* obvious. I expect the police force to have at least the same ability to analyze a tense scenario as an average citizen.

Tekel

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I know this is you being facetious. The cop who shot the dog didn't pull his gun until after the dog charged out of the car, so it wasn't in response to the offender being black.


The first time he reached for the leash, the dog had its head down in a non-threatening manner, the dog jump towards him and begins pacing. The 2nd time the dog lunges up and fully attacks, this is when he shot.

I see a guy who is obstructing a police event by playing his loud music and then yelling at police about there being no black police there.

lol, first time i've ever been accused of being a lib.

Amellrotts

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I have trained MANY ROTTWEILERS in all phases of training including lots of bite work. I know dogs, I know Rottweilers. Any one could have picked up his leash and walked away. That dog did not have the courage to truly bite. Most cops are around K9 officers and should have above average "dog sense" and while I hold the idiot owner ultimately at fault for the dog getting into that situation, the cops should have been better at their job. There was no reason to arrest the idiot who obviously wanted trouble.

Two props to Brain for well said posts!

thenuge26

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Bogus charge? Really? He pulls up to a hostage situation, blasting his music, gets out, and starts walking his extremely threatening looking dog inside the perimeter that everyone else filming is smart enough to stay out of.


Oh and the guy was already suing the Hawthorne PD.

He walks up to an active crime scene and starts asking the cops why there are no black cops there, yet clearly he was targeted by police! Must have been because he was black.

Pinky

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Wow, a bunch of dumb people make a bunch of dumb decisions and the dog is the one who pays the price. Poor thing, just being a loyal dog.

Doppelgänger

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We wasn't "doing nothing", he was creating a situation that warranted the attention of the police. It wasn't enough just to get out and see, but he had to add all of that other **** to his presence. At some point, I don't see how the officers detaining him for his actions. Clearly they're already on edge and anyone invading the situation is going to be detained for questioning. Arrest doesn't mean you're going to jail, at the moment, it was (to me) a preventative step to keep him from becoming part of the other situation and to find out what the hell he is doing. You can also hear the spectators commenting about the *******'s comments toward the cops further getting their attention. Yes, police can detain/arrest you if you are getting all up in their **** when they're dealing with something else. It doesn't mean you will be charged, it just means they are putting you in time-out for being stupid and until their greater concern is dealt with.

Bottom line- dude made his bed and now he has to sleep in it.

So it's expected that the police (no evidence if the officers are specific K-9 units or not) are simply supposed to know how the owner has trained/treated his animal? Assume that an animal lunging isn't really going to attack?

Let's say you're walking down the street and someone puts a knift to your face and demands your personal items- Do you assume he is bluffing as you think about the firearm that your hand is on? Point being that when the situation requires .5 seconds of decision making, 99% of you will do what you need to to eliminate the threat by any means you are ready to take.

Braineack

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yes.
yes.
does he know that?
is that a crime?
point here?
that's racist.
there was no established police perimeter. the sidewalk is public property and he's allowed to be on this property until ordered off.
I hope he wins.

Ryan_G

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you probably think all pits are born killers too don't you. That dog was so threatening looking when it was sniffing the ground. Especially when it trotted up to the officers all timid looking trying to check on its owner. If you notice its mouth never even opens until the officer makes an attempt to reach down by its face for the leash. SO THREATENING!

Braineack

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now his defenseless DEAD DOG has to... Next time you make mistake, you better pray for your loved ones bro. Apparently that gives police the legal rights to end life.

Joe Perez

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Scott, sometimes I think you're more of an anarchist than Jason...

In situations like this, context is everything. Frankly, if an 8 year old kid had started running towards the police pointing a realistic-looking squirt gun at them, they'd have been justified in shooting her.

The guy failed to properly retrain his dog. He then went and deliberately escalated what had previously been a relatively calm situation, and created a conflict which resulted in his detention. The aforementioned unrestrained dog than lunged towards a police officer while barking. And it's not like this was a Chihuahua, this is a dog capable of reaching up and putting its forepaws on your shoulders.

Frankly, I'm surprised that the officers showed as much restraint as they did.