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You mean like how Bernie rallied behind Her even after it came out the game was rigged and after he said all those awful things about Her.
If that's amusing and said you are hilarious and depressing.
Wait, hold the presses. It was a surprise to everyone that an organization was biased against an outsider that wasn't a member of their party? Weird how the bias never translated to any evidence of wrong doing.
Also weird how someone that was repeatedly pointed out to not hold the values of a party now magically has those same people as lap dogs. I'm sure that insulting veterans, POW's, some of our closest allies through modern history, having more conflicts of interest than any candidate in history, and being an overall nepotistic schmuck are basically the same thing as being biased, right? I mean... betsy ******* devos. An AG with troubled history. The surgeon he nominated that's currently being investigated for insider trading and making deals that benefitted them. So much for draining the swamp. More like breaking down the flood gates.
Oh yeah, and the use of his own private android devices that don't really meet government standards... Cue: Buttttt thoseeeee emaillllssssss...
And for everyone that calls lefties whiners and snowflakes, we got a blizzard tweetstorm coming from the white house lol.
This is probably all Obama's fault. Thanks 'obummer'.
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With regard to the above, do "Americans" understand what impeachment means?
It means the levying of criminal charges against a high official. In other words, you have to have some specific criminal act to accuse the official of. Eg: in the case of president Nixon, the charges which were approved by the House Judiciary Committee (prior to his resignation) were Obstruction of Justice (18 USC § 1519), Abuse of Power (373 U.S. 647, et al), and Contempt of Congress (2 U.S.C.A. § 192).
What criminal charge, specifically, is in question here?
With regard to the above, do "Americans" understand what impeachment means?
It means the levying of criminal charges against a high official. In other words, you have to have some specific criminal act to accuse the official of. Eg: in the case of president Nixon, the charges which were approved by the House Judiciary Committee (prior to his resignation) were Obstruction of Justice (18 USC § 1519), Abuse of Power (373 U.S. 647, et al), and Contempt of Congress (2 U.S.C.A. § 192).
What criminal charge, specifically, is in question here?
Only a poll Joe, not a date... To your first question, likely not but "wishful" thinking on the poll question. Re the 2nd question, probably be some trumped up high crime or misdemeanor...
He toured post-war Germany extensively in 1957 and ’58 as a child performer. And he often recounts the stories. He befriended teenage Lebensborn children (if you don’t know what Lebensborn children are …well …before you post anymore about Hitler you should read about them). He visited an SS widow and got a peek at her husband’s uniform and Luger (that he’d committed suicide with), she had stored in an old trunk, in the attic.
These and other intense experiences in Germany sent my father on a life-long quest to understand this sociopath (Hitler) and the country that allowed itself to be dragged into one of the darkest chapters in world history. My dad is a Hitler/**** buff the way Indiana Jones’ dad was a Holy Grail buff.
As the son of a man with this hobby (one might call obsession) I learned a lot about Hitler and the Third Reich just by osmosis, growing up. My father would weave WWII stories into his sermons. He would talk about new books he was reading on the subject. When I was nine-years-old I bought him a book on the battle of Stalingrad for Christmas. Not a tie or a pair of socks. A book …on the battle …of Stalingrad. Yeah …it was kinda like that.
The thing my father and I have often discussed, through the years, is the eye-rolling art of comparing American presidents to Hitler. It is such an absurdity we find it amusing …and frustrating. It’s often just a punch line. Like the Soup **** wasn’t really a ****. He was just mean. The **** part made it funny. You know …over-the-top. Like “grammar ****” or “spelling ****.” Nobody is really a “****.” It’s our representation of something we consider jarring, strident, intractable and inhumane.
But the truth about ***** isn’t funny at all. It’s bloody and horrible and gut churning. And it involves machine guns and butchery and inhumanity on a scale that takes your breath away. Nobody is really a “soup ****” …unless they served it in a concentration camp.
The idea of comparing an American president to Hitler is just as absurd …from any angle, in any context. The American system ITSELF pretty much prevents “Hitlers” from showing up. And America ITSELF is anathema to what Hitler was trying to create. An American ANYTHING or ANYONE is hard to fit into the Hitler model. It’s just not apples to apples.
There are some fundamental things to understand about Hitler:
1. He took over a small, failing state that didn’t have separated government, enumerated powers or checks and balances. It’s difficult for a guy like that to show up here, in this system.
2. His entire political career was violent from the beginning. There was always death in his wake. He didn’t just suddenly “turn” violent. It was a pattern …as it always is with sociopaths. This is THE most important thing to watch; the violence. I always keep an eye on who is rioting …breaking things …throwing rocks and bombs. It doesn’t make them *****. But it signals how far they’re willing to go.
3. He entered office with his own personal military construct (the SS) with allegiance to him ONLY. They would carry out things the regular military would never carry out: i.e. the murder of private citizens and political opponents. Nothing like that exists or COULD exist in America. We simply wouldn’t allow it.
4. He didn’t start out just killing Jews. He started out euthanizing people with special needs …for the betterment of the care-givers’ lives. (You can decide which side of the aisle favors the extermination of “inconvenient” people).
5. He disarmed the population, then nationalized healthcare and education. (Two-out-of-three of those are Bernie Sanders moves …But, guess what? Bernie isn’t Hitler either …not by a long shot)
The list goes on and on. But the deal is this:
Hitler was a real life murdering sociopath. He wasn’t just a charismatic speaker who incrementally fell into bad behavior. He wasn’t just a racist corrupted by unfettered power. In other words, you or I probably couldn’t end up being Hitler. A garden variety KKK leader probably couldn’t end up being Hitler either …or a community organizer …or a New York real-estate tycoon. It’s not that easy or simple.
NONE of our American presidents have ever been Hitler. But the people of Germany certainly thought FDR was a murdering dictator when B-17s started dropping bombs on them. This is why you have to KNOW what you believe and why you believe it. Good guys and bad guys are often in the eyes of the beholder. And they often look similar in the fog of conflict. I would imagine Japanese Americans in internment camps wondered if their president was Hitler-like. Nope. Horrible act …but not close to Hitler.
To that point, ironically, the American president who could’ve actually been likened to Hitler (before Hitler) in some of his methods was …wait for it …Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln broke more constitutional law than any other president in U.S history. He imprisoned political opponents without due process. He suspended habeas corpus. He was personally responsible for the deaths of six hundred thousand people.
He invaded countries that had declared their own sovereignty and forced them back into a union they didn’t want to be a part of. He unilaterally annexed Nevada, without 60 thousand residents, (a pre-requisite for becoming a state) in order to carry it and win the 1864 election. In other words, he pretty much rigged it.
And when he was killed by the highest paid and most famous actor of his day (ironic …don’t you think?), the actor screamed “death to tyrants!” (in latin) because the man thought he was being a patriot for ridding the world of a dictator. But he wasn’t …and he didn’t.
Lincoln did all of those things to end and win the Civil War. And today we love him for it …as we should. Because in the end, his vision was right …even though his methods were suspect in the heat of the moment.
When people think they’re seeing a Hitler, they might actually – sometimes – be seeing something closer to a Churchill. Before WWII everyone thought Churchill was the big bad wolf. His own people hated him and thought he was a Hitler type character (again …pre-Hilter). But he just kept saying, “guys …I’m telling you. This Hitler guy is the real problem. Not me.” And he turned out to be right. There’s a difference between an abrasive leader who makes you uncomfortable …and a despot.
Now, people are comparing Donald Trump to Hitler. And the countdown has officially begun, to …well …I don’t know …but something really bad. I get that someone who is combative with the press and who wants to vet refugees and shut down open immigration fits the bill some are always looking for when it comes to finally getting their “Hitler” villain.
But if you study enough about it, you realize the guy vetting and banning refugees is probably not Hitler …the guy CREATING refugees probably is.
If we keep looking for Hitler in every United States president we disagree with, we’re not going to recognize the real one when he actually shows up …in a different country.
He toured post-war Germany extensively in 1957 and ’58 as a child performer. And he often recounts the stories. He befriended teenage Lebensborn children (if you don’t know what Lebensborn children are …well …before you post anymore about Hitler you should read about them). He visited an SS widow and got a peek at her husband’s uniform and Luger (that he’d committed suicide with), she had stored in an old trunk, in the attic.
These and other intense experiences in Germany sent my father on a life-long quest to understand this sociopath (Hitler) and the country that allowed itself to be dragged into one of the darkest chapters in world history. My dad is a Hitler/**** buff the way Indiana Jones’ dad was a Holy Grail buff.
As the son of a man with this hobby (one might call obsession) I learned a lot about Hitler and the Third Reich just by osmosis, growing up. My father would weave WWII stories into his sermons. He would talk about new books he was reading on the subject. When I was nine-years-old I bought him a book on the battle of Stalingrad for Christmas. Not a tie or a pair of socks. A book …on the battle …of Stalingrad. Yeah …it was kinda like that.
The thing my father and I have often discussed, through the years, is the eye-rolling art of comparing American presidents to Hitler. It is such an absurdity we find it amusing …and frustrating. It’s often just a punch line. Like the Soup **** wasn’t really a ****. He was just mean. The **** part made it funny. You know …over-the-top. Like “grammar ****” or “spelling ****.” Nobody is really a “****.” It’s our representation of something we consider jarring, strident, intractable and inhumane.
But the truth about ***** isn’t funny at all. It’s bloody and horrible and gut churning. And it involves machine guns and butchery and inhumanity on a scale that takes your breath away. Nobody is really a “soup ****” …unless they served it in a concentration camp.
The idea of comparing an American president to Hitler is just as absurd …from any angle, in any context. The American system ITSELF pretty much prevents “Hitlers” from showing up. And America ITSELF is anathema to what Hitler was trying to create. An American ANYTHING or ANYONE is hard to fit into the Hitler model. It’s just not apples to apples.
There are some fundamental things to understand about Hitler:
1. He took over a small, failing state that didn’t have separated government, enumerated powers or checks and balances. It’s difficult for a guy like that to show up here, in this system.
2. His entire political career was violent from the beginning. There was always death in his wake. He didn’t just suddenly “turn” violent. It was a pattern …as it always is with sociopaths. This is THE most important thing to watch; the violence. I always keep an eye on who is rioting …breaking things …throwing rocks and bombs. It doesn’t make them *****. But it signals how far they’re willing to go.
3. He entered office with his own personal military construct (the SS) with allegiance to him ONLY. They would carry out things the regular military would never carry out: i.e. the murder of private citizens and political opponents. Nothing like that exists or COULD exist in America. We simply wouldn’t allow it.
4. He didn’t start out just killing Jews. He started out euthanizing people with special needs …for the betterment of the care-givers’ lives. (You can decide which side of the aisle favors the extermination of “inconvenient” people).
5. He disarmed the population, then nationalized healthcare and education. (Two-out-of-three of those are Bernie Sanders moves …But, guess what? Bernie isn’t Hitler either …not by a long shot)
The list goes on and on. But the deal is this:
Hitler was a real life murdering sociopath. He wasn’t just a charismatic speaker who incrementally fell into bad behavior. He wasn’t just a racist corrupted by unfettered power. In other words, you or I probably couldn’t end up being Hitler. A garden variety KKK leader probably couldn’t end up being Hitler either …or a community organizer …or a New York real-estate tycoon. It’s not that easy or simple.
NONE of our American presidents have ever been Hitler. But the people of Germany certainly thought FDR was a murdering dictator when B-17s started dropping bombs on them. This is why you have to KNOW what you believe and why you believe it. Good guys and bad guys are often in the eyes of the beholder. And they often look similar in the fog of conflict. I would imagine Japanese Americans in internment camps wondered if their president was Hitler-like. Nope. Horrible act …but not close to Hitler.
To that point, ironically, the American president who could’ve actually been likened to Hitler (before Hitler) in some of his methods was …wait for it …Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln broke more constitutional law than any other president in U.S history. He imprisoned political opponents without due process. He suspended habeas corpus. He was personally responsible for the deaths of six hundred thousand people.
He invaded countries that had declared their own sovereignty and forced them back into a union they didn’t want to be a part of. He unilaterally annexed Nevada, without 60 thousand residents, (a pre-requisite for becoming a state) in order to carry it and win the 1864 election. In other words, he pretty much rigged it.
And when he was killed by the highest paid and most famous actor of his day (ironic …don’t you think?), the actor screamed “death to tyrants!” (in latin) because the man thought he was being a patriot for ridding the world of a dictator. But he wasn’t …and he didn’t.
Lincoln did all of those things to end and win the Civil War. And today we love him for it …as we should. Because in the end, his vision was right …even though his methods were suspect in the heat of the moment.
When people think they’re seeing a Hitler, they might actually – sometimes – be seeing something closer to a Churchill. Before WWII everyone thought Churchill was the big bad wolf. His own people hated him and thought he was a Hitler type character (again …pre-Hilter). But he just kept saying, “guys …I’m telling you. This Hitler guy is the real problem. Not me.” And he turned out to be right. There’s a difference between an abrasive leader who makes you uncomfortable …and a despot.
Now, people are comparing Donald Trump to Hitler. And the countdown has officially begun, to …well …I don’t know …but something really bad. I get that someone who is combative with the press and who wants to vet refugees and shut down open immigration fits the bill some are always looking for when it comes to finally getting their “Hitler” villain.
But if you study enough about it, you realize the guy vetting and banning refugees is probably not Hitler …the guy CREATING refugees probably is.
If we keep looking for Hitler in every United States president we disagree with, we’re not going to recognize the real one when he actually shows up …in a different country.
The irony of the entire essay above is that his point is lost under his equally asinine unsubstantiated counter accusations. His essay boils down to a 'Trump isn't Hitler, but maybe the other side of the aisle is full of *****' bullshitty essay. Weird how you can't disprove something or get an opinion out without sounding like a partisan hack eh?
Here's a different take if you want to read it. Just read it as an intellectual exercise. I wouldn't put much stock in it re: the Mussolini comparison. However, the modern anti-intellectual movement thing rings pretty true.
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
The irony of the entire essay above is that his point is lost under his equally asinine unsubstantiated counter accusations. His essay boils down to a 'Trump isn't Hitler, but maybe the other side of the aisle is full of *****' bullshitty essay. Weird how you can't disprove something or get an opinion out without sounding like a partisan hack eh?
The irony of the entire essay above is that his point is lost under his equally asinine unsubstantiated counter accusations. His essay boils down to a 'Trump isn't Hitler, but maybe the other side of the aisle is full of *****' bullshitty essay.
Que?
The author specifically states that no American politician, past or present, even the ones he strongly disagrees with, is even close to being Hitler.
Literally, he says the following:
"He disarmed the population, then nationalized healthcare and education. (Two-out-of-three of those are Bernie Sanders moves …But, guess what? Bernie isn’t Hitler either …not by a long shot)"
Sanders was probably the closest that the US has ever some to an actual socialist president, and the author of the aforementioned article goes out of his way to point out that, despite his socialist political views, Bernie Sanders isn't Hitler, "not by a long shot."
I was responding to stupid comments like this interspersed throughout the essay:
"4. He didn’t start out just killing Jews. He started out euthanizing people with special needs …for the betterment of the care-givers’ lives. (You can decide which side of the aisle favors the extermination of “inconvenient” people)."
That's a reference to abortion, in case you missed it. Lots of people consider that murder, you know.
Not starting that again. You can read back a few pages if you want to see that discussion.
Regardless, that statement had nothing to do with the purpose of his essay and belied any semblance of objectivity. It reads like : America's never really had an authoritarian figure that could even be considered remotely like Hitler and the **** analogies are far fetched. But hey, if you really want to point fingers and call someone ****'s note this...
It's stupid.
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