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#1601
Another potential solution is: first off, gov't doesn't pay for you to have a baby, but secondly this: Each individual is entitled to one "financed" abortion. That is to say that the gov't will loan you money to have an abortion with the expectation that you pay all of it back. I'll even throw in the possibility that it be an interest free loan.
A second option allows the mother the opportunity to have the gubment pay for half of the abortion, and she pays for/finances the other half of it. All half-paid abortions come with free, compulsory, permanent, irreversible, birth control.
#1602
And that's the point you lose me at, broski.
Implanted contraceptives are reversible. I will grant you there are documented incidences of certain abuse of the system with respect to having children. My solution to it is to nip it in the bud (Get rid of their ability to abuse it via contraceptives), but is also fully reversible for when they are no longer receiving benefits from the system.
Aka, if you want to have more kids? GTFO the system. But permanent and irreversible? I have a problem with that.
Implanted contraceptives are reversible. I will grant you there are documented incidences of certain abuse of the system with respect to having children. My solution to it is to nip it in the bud (Get rid of their ability to abuse it via contraceptives), but is also fully reversible for when they are no longer receiving benefits from the system.
Aka, if you want to have more kids? GTFO the system. But permanent and irreversible? I have a problem with that.
#1605
I contra-argued with the only hard data I have on hand (welfare fraud) for a problem that IMO is as overexaggerated as welfare fraud. However, I do not believe there is any way to get hard data on his claims. With that said, I think even you will agree that black women who have out of wedlock births for the "free handouts" are a vanishingly tiny minority in the system.
#1607
And? In some states, it CAN be a form of welfare fraud. So it can be entirely on point depending on your state's laws.
P.S. Welfare fraud, and what Foogy are complaining about are due to state, not federal laws normally, as the states set their own standards and administrate the system their own way. One great example? If you go on welfare in my state, you have to pay it back and only can be on it for so long.
P.S. Welfare fraud, and what Foogy are complaining about are due to state, not federal laws normally, as the states set their own standards and administrate the system their own way. One great example? If you go on welfare in my state, you have to pay it back and only can be on it for so long.
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Have everyone given the contraceptive implants and then be required to pass various tests (including income) to receive a license to procreate. I may or may not have given a persuasive speech on this once upon a time in college and had a girl in class come up to me afterward and say, "That is a horrifying idea, but you made a very persuasive case for it..." She was appalled and impressed at the same time.
#1619
Choice is required. I have no problem with giving someone the choice of benefits and contraceptives vs. no benefits. I do have a serious problem with giving someone no choice - i.e., forced sterilization as Joe mentioned.
I have no problem with say, someone donating a kidney to someone who pays them $$$ - or part of a liver either. I have a major problem with criminalizing this behavior.
This is also very similar to where I get so heated on the abortion or contraception topics on here. You don't ------- take someone's choice away.
Last edited by blaen99; 03-08-2012 at 05:57 PM.