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Old 07-08-2011, 07:30 PM   #1
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I guess at one point you just make enough...

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<--- Non-regretful Obama Voter.
I don't know how anyone could possibly think giving Sarah Palin a shot at becoming president could be a good idea.
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I don't know how anyone could possibly think giving Sarah Palin a shot at becoming president could be a good idea.
Is that the best defensive argument you have? Or any democrat at that.
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Is that the best defensive argument you have? Or any democrat at that.
Nope, but it's a damn good one.
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I don't feel like watching that 13 minute vid, so I have a Q: Does she imply that we'd have been better off with McSame?
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Nope, but it's a damn good one.
So you're one of the majority who believe in the R vs D sideshow.
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So you're one of the majority who believe in the R vs D sideshow.
What do you mean by that? I'm not saying I vote along party lines, I'm saying that Palin is too far right for me, comes off as a moron, and would represent & lead the US poorly. Pres. Obama on the other hand, I think is a strong leader, not a moron and represents & leads the US well.

IMO no matter who is president, when the country has economic problems, unpopular wars, civil unrest etc. the president will get the blame for it all regardless if he/she actually had something to do with it or not, and thus be unpopular among a large percentage of the population. It's all about what people think, forget the facts. For example, just look at the birthers and people who believe he's a Muslim, reality doesn't phase them.
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I don't feel like watching that 13 minute vid, so I have a Q: Does she imply that we'd have been better off with McSame?
no, she basically points out that the media twists the story and that we've had a lot of 'mcsame' for the past 2 decades, and that its time for real change in politics.
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no, she basically points out that the media twists the story and that we've had a lot of 'mcsame' for the past 2 decades, and that its time for real change in politics.
And who does she think is going to bring about this change?
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What do you mean by that? I'm not saying I vote along party lines, I'm saying that Palin is too far right for me, comes off as a moron, and would represent & lead the US poorly. Pres. Obama on the other hand, I think is a strong leader, not a moron and represents & leads the US well.

IMO no matter who is president, when the country has economic problems, unpopular wars, civil unrest etc. the president will get the blame for it all regardless if he/she actually had something to do with it or not, and thus be unpopular among a large percentage of the population. It's all about what people think, forget the facts. For example, just look at the birthers and people who believe he's a Muslim, reality doesn't phase them.
Oh really? I'm loling at the first one. Second, are you saying that Obama has not contribute to the deficit of the country? Sounds like you're dumping all the fault on the Emperor Bush alone.
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Obama is a very competent president.

He's competent at keeping his job, continuing the wars and growing the police state.
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Oh really? I'm loling at the first one. Second, are you saying that Obama has not contribute to the deficit of the country? Sounds like you're dumping all the fault on the Emperor Bush alone.
No, I do not blame either president for the countries economic situation.

"IMO no matter who is president, when the country has economic problems, unpopular wars, civil unrest etc. the president will get the blame for it all regardless if he/she actually had something to do with it or not, and thus be unpopular among a large percentage of the population."

Assigning blame gets us no ware.
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What do you mean by that? I'm not saying I vote along party lines, I'm saying that Palin is too far right for me, comes off as a moron, and would represent & lead the US poorly. Pres. Obama on the other hand,
Bingo. All you see is left vs. right.

You don't see STATISM vs. FREEDOM.

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For example, just look at the birthers and people who believe he's a Muslim, reality doesn't phase them.
A tiny minority pumped up by the media to make you think it's "you vs. them". Quick quiz: when did the "modern tea party" start? If you said after Obama got elected, because they are racists, bzzzzt, wrong answer. The media is lying to you. It got started in 2007 protesting BUSH. (not that I'm a fan of what it turned into after being hijacked by the Republican Establishment)

Try this for a new concept:

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I personally think our last two presidents have been disasters. Look at the TSA. In 2000, that agency didn't even exist. Now it is one of (perhaps the) largest agency in the federal government. And it's a joke. And we all know it. Guess how much that body scanner you went through last month costs?

It wasn't that long ago that we were running a surplus. To me, legislation is like software, with lots of unintended consequences (i.e., bugs). Any good software engineer will revert to a last known good version when things get really FUBAR. So, step one to me would be to revert to 1999/2000:
1. Wind down the wars. We've won. We don't need to stay and try to nation build a place like Afghanistan fer chrissakes. The terrorists are now in Pakistan, Yemen and Sudan anyway.
2. TSA . . . gone. Geeez.
3. Prescription drug benefit . . . gone.
4. What's left of the stimulus . . . refunded to the treasury.
5. "Unfair" trade agreements . . . rescinded.

You know, at the time I was disgusted by Bill Clinton. But, on reflection, I really miss ol' Bill (coupled with a conservative republican congress). It was a nice combo and highly entertaining.

Perhaps there should be a constitutional amendment that no single party can dominate both the executive and legislative branches. That seems to be when most of the damage gets done . . . no checks and balances. Unfettered Republicans are just as dangerous as unfettered Democrats.
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Bingo. All you see is left vs. right.
Wrong on both counts. I don't just see just right vs left, it kida seems like you do with your STATISM vs. FREEDOM argument. Hypocrisy fail.

I don't know when the modern tea party began, and I don't care. What they are now is a group farther right then the GOP, I could vote for a moderate republican, but not somebody who hails from the tea party.

BTW, It'd be funny as hell if Obama raised the tax on tea just to **** with the tea party.
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You don't see STATISM vs. FREEDOM.

this is what the video gets into. She used to think being a liberal was about freedom, until she wised up and it's anything but.
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And who does she think is going to bring about this change?
Well thats the problem now isnt it?
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Well thats the problem now isnt it?
No, giant douche is clearly the better candidate here.
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