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Old 11-07-2011, 01:17 PM   #1
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Old 11-07-2011, 01:26 PM   #2
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FUUUU fu fu fu FUUUCK YEAHHHHH

Wait. That's only 590M. That's nothing.

BTW Scott my party invite to you was sincere. There will actually be a bunch of gearheads in attendance.
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Luxury taxes on discretionary spending are more justifiable than increases on taxes on fixed sources (capital gains for the rich, transportation fees for the workin' man). Pay for **** with other **** spending!
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Wait. That's only 590M. That's nothing.

BTW Scott my party invite to you was sincere. There will actually be a bunch of gearheads in attendance.

that was only one day's posting worth.

He updates about once a week, for the month of Oct he identifies a few billion in pork.
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I'm in full support of searching for alien cities..
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I think that the rich need to pay up.. but I also think this kind of spending has to stop.

They are the ones that pay the lobbyists and manipulate the system. Our situation is not the poor mans fault
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^and its not the rich man's fault either. Its the governments fault. And no, we do not need make the rich "pay up" what the **** did they do? be smart? be financially savvy? get off your high horse.
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True. But the poor man pays nothing.
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True. But the poor man pays nothing.
And that is bullshit. If the poor guy had to at least pay a little he would have to start paying attention to what is going on around him.
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http://www.urban.org/uploadedpdf/100...Income-Tax.pdf

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About 46 percent of American households will pay no federal individual income tax in 2011, roughly half of them because of structural features of the income tax that provide basic exemptions for subsistence level income and for dependents. The other half are nontaxable because tax expenditures— special provisions of the tax code that benefit selected taxpayers or activities—wipe out tax liabilities and, in the case of refundable credits, result in net payments from the government. Most important of those tax expenditures are provisions that benefit senior citizens and low-income working families with children. While those factors particularly affect lower-income households, different provisions eliminate taxes for other households. Itemized deductions and credits for children and education are more important for middle-income households, while the relatively few high-income nontaxable households benefit most from above-the-line and itemized deductions and reduced tax rates on capital gains and dividends.
Why Some Tax Units Pay No Income Tax


Just 54 percent of all tax units will pay federal individual income tax in 2011, leaving about 46 percent paying no federal income tax or receiving a net refund. The significant fraction of tax units that do not pay income tax has become a topic of public debate. Some commentators have suggested that the large share paying no income tax is mostly the result of tax expenditures (sometimes referred to as “loopholes” or “tax earmarks”). If that were so, nearly all tax units would pay income tax under a reformed income tax with no tax expenditures. In fact, however, even with all tax expenditures repealed, standard income tax provisions that exempt a basic amount of income would still leave many units nontaxable.

Give birth to 4 illegitimate children and work at Walmart = free money from tax codes.
Go to college and get an average job and have 2 beautiful children = get screwed by tax codes.
Go to college, go to grad school, get job with responsibility & liability for multi-million to multi-billion dollar projects and hundreds to thousands of employees, have large family and multiple divorces = free money for the single mom and fatty paychecks for dad for knowing how to work the tax codes.
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Exactly, deregulate the market, overhaul the tax code, bring private jobs back to the market.

tax hike is not the answer, it hasn't been before, it won't be now.

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I think that the rich need to pay up...
why do they need to "pay up?"
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In today's news:

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President Obama’s Agriculture Department today announced that it will impose a new 15-cent charge on all fresh Christmas trees—the Christmas Tree Tax—to support a new Federal program to improve the image and marketing of Christmas trees.



In the Federal Register of November 8, 2011, Acting Administrator of Agricultural Marketing David R. Shipman announced that the Secretary of Agriculture will appoint a Christmas Tree Promotion Board. The purpose of the Board is to run a “program of promotion, research, evaluation, and information designed to strengthen the Christmas tree industry’s position in the marketplace; maintain and expend existing markets for Christmas trees; and to carry out programs, plans, and projects designed to provide maximum benefits to the Christmas tree industry” (7 CFR 1214.46(n)). And the program of “information” is to include efforts to “enhance the image of Christmas trees and the Christmas tree industry in the United States” (7 CFR 1214.10).

To pay for the new Federal Christmas tree image improvement and marketing program, the Department of Agriculture imposed a 15-cent fee on all sales of fresh Christmas trees by sellers of more than 500 trees per year (7 CFR 1214.52). And, of course, the Christmas tree sellers are free to pass along the 15-cent Federal fee to consumers who buy their Christmas trees.

Acting Administrator Shipman had the temerity to say the 15-cent mandatory Christmas tree fee “is not a tax nor does it yield revenue for the Federal government” (76 CFR 69102). The Federal government mandates that the Christmas tree sellers pay the 15-cents per tree, whether they want to or not. The Federal government directs that the revenue generated by the 15-cent fee goes to the Board appointed by the Secretary of Agriculture to carry out the Christmas tree program established by the Secretary of Agriculture. Mr. President, that’s a new 15-cent tax to pay for a Federal program to improve the image and marketing of Christmas trees.

Nobody is saying President Obama doesn’t have authority to impose his new Christmas Tree Tax — his Administration cites the Commodity Promotion, Research and Information Act of 1996. Just because the Obama Administration has the legal power to impose its Christmas Tree Tax doesn’t mean it should do so.

The economy is barely growing and nine percent of the American people have no jobs. Is a new tax on Christmas trees the best President Obama can do?
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I think this does a pretty good job of describing what has happened to our tax code.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...-rich-20111109

And don’t forget all portions of payroll tax which are conveniently ignored by right wingers when calculating a person’s personal tax burden. It makes up ~40% of the federal revenue and it’s ~15% of income for everybody making less than 100k from working and no deductions.

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Tax the Rich Corporations
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30 Corporations Paying No Total Income Tax in 2008-201
78 Companies Paying Zero Tax or Less in at Least One Year, 2008–2010
25 Companies with the Largest Total Tax Subsidies, 2008-10: $114,815,000,000



Accelerated depreciation. The tax laws generally allow companies to write off their capital investments considerably faster than the assets actually wear out. This “accelerated depreciation” is technically a tax deferral, but so long as a company continues to invest, the tax deferral tends to be indefinite.

In early 2008, in an attempt at economic stimulus for the flagging economy, Congress and President George W. Bush dramatically expanded these depreciation tax breaks by creating a supposedly temporary “50% bonus depreciation” provision that allowed companies to immediately write off as much as 75 percent of the cost of their investments in new equipment right away.

This provision was extended and expanded through 2012 under President Barack Obama.

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the point of my post is that we don't need the revenue.
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I fully expect some of what the .gov does to fail and "waste" tax money, it's the price of trying new things and innovating. Would ARPANET have landed on a pork report? One man's pork is another's required expenditure.

Then again, I think we should be spending money on developing new technologies, going back in space and finding aliens. Unfortunately private industry has figured out how to do it cheaper by outsourcing to other countries with cheap labor and the bitching about how their patents are infringed.
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some?

it's the price of the gov't trying to innovate and trying new things.

I take this as a simple example: Monster.com.

For the longest while, they were the gov't's main engine for their USAjobs.gov site, but the gov't decided to take over and thought it could do it better than monster. Go google it and see how well it's working.

the gov't innovating is by making tungsten illegal or requiring all tv's to be digital regardless of how shitty it makes them.

private industry is forced to find cheaper labor in competing countries because our own gov't has ruined the business environment here in the states. let's just say they are innovating new jobs for the Chinese youth.

I still can't wait to fly into St. Cloud Regional Airport...

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some?

it's the price of the gov't trying to innovate and trying new things.

I take this as a simple example: Monster.com.

For the longest while, they were the gov't's main engine for their USAjobs.gov site, but the gov't decided to take over and thought it could do it better than monster. Go google it and see how well it's working.
That's funny and sad because a tiny part of that $90million is mine. When the public company I work for needs to fill a job it gets posted on just about every job search site, Craigslist and sent out to the many recruiters we work with. Having a single source is stupid.

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the gov't innovating is by making tungsten illegal or requiring all tv's to be digital regardless of how shitty it makes them.
Do you know the why behind ditching analog broadcast TV? Digital is the future and is a far more efficient use of finite resources. I'm really torn about the environmental impacts of mining and industrial operations (that's what you're refering to with tungsten, right?). There has to be some restrictions or greed and the desire for cheap products will destroy the planet we depend upon. Corporate responsibility doesn't exist so we come up with stupid blanket laws that are just as bad as none.

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private industry is forced to find cheaper labor in competing countries because our own gov't has ruined the business environment here in the states. let's just say they are innovating new jobs for the Chinese youth.
Should we impose a labor rate or environmental impact based tax on imported goods? Either you pay Chinese kids US labor rates (those are going to be some wealthy kids) or pay import taxes based on the discrepancy. Adopt US environmental protection levels or pay import taxes based on how badly you're ******* the environment vs what is allowed here. Should we extend that regionally in this country too? Afterall it's much cheaper to grow/build/develop/code/support/etc everything in the mid-west than it is on the coasts. **** those job stealing midwesterners.

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I still can't wait to fly into St. Cloud Regional Airport...
**** your pork, I mean airport.
I can't wait for Amtrak to bring their auto transport services to me. I'd very much like to load the MSM on a train and relax as I'm shuttled across the country to some kick *** roads and sweet tracks. Would make for some fantastic vacations.
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