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Old 11-24-2010, 03:11 PM   #101
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I think that a reasonable person might elect to familiarize themselves with the laws and customs of a foreign country before traveling there.

For instance, if a resident of Arizona (where one may openly carry a firearm without a license) traveled by car into Mexico (where possession of firearms by foreigners is specifically prohibited except in certain narrowly defined situations) and was subsequently arrested and placed in jail, what would your response be to that?
First off I wouldn't be arrested, I'd shoot my way out of the situation. Otherwise why bother to bring the gun into the Country in the first place.

I was traveling from Singapore to Malaysia a number of years ago. Were were traveling by train and had to pass through customs/security at the terminal. In front of us were a couple who looked to be in their 20's that looked to have traveled a fair amount (backpacks with various flags on it). They got hauled away for additional screening/interrogation, resulting in a missed train. Do you have any idea why? They had an Israel stamp in their passports. Until I learned about this and witnessed it myself I would have never guessed in a million years that this would take place in Malaysia. Traveler beware indeed, and your point is taken. We should educate ourselves certainly.

Having said that, if I hadn't heard about the full body scanners and the new gate rape via the media I wouldn't have had a clue about it. I traveled to New York last June and never though to check out what the TSA security procedures were like. In my ignorance (having traveled to the US many times) I could have been subject to a **** test and a body cavity search because I might be smuggling pot and gay marriage into the country. I like a lot of people make assumptions based on previous experience.

Tell me this, since you have just recently traveled abroad and knowing your keen attention to detail did you know exactly what the experience/process was going to be at every country you passed through? Honestly?

My bigger concern these days is having my laptop/iphone/ipad confiscated and searched at security checkpoints. And what are the implications when I'm asked for my password and refuse?

I loath my next trip into the US because of this. Thank Zeus's butthole I can fly direct to Mexico.
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Old 11-24-2010, 04:21 PM   #102
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The "Collective", as you put it, holds that the individual has no rights, that his life, his privacy, his genitals belong to the group and that the group may sacrifice him at its own whim to its own interests. The only way to implement a doctrine of that kind is by means of brute force.
Perhaps "collective" was not a good word to use. The sentiment I wished to convey was that of any individual member of the class "American," whether a talking head on Fox News, a liberal blogger, or just average Joe-six-pack.

Generally, whenever any random American starts waving the Bill of Rights around using it to defend or attack some particular point of view, it's almost always either the First, Second, or Fourth amendments, and it's almost always the same couple of lines of rhetoric. It's always "gubment can't take away mah guns" or "da man can't silence us no more" or some other such repetitive drivel taken straight from the lips of whichever celebrity happens to be lending their name and image to the movement in question.


Nobody pays attention to the really important ones. Seriously, show of hands- without looking it up, can anybody here tell me anything about the 9'th and 10'th Amendments? Anything at all?


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Tell me this, since you have just recently traveled abroad and knowing your keen attention to detail did you know exactly what the experience/process was going to be at every country you passed through? Honestly?
For the outbound leg, yes, I did some research. In particular, I was concerned by the fact that we had a fairly tight connection at CDG for the DUS leg and that we'd be passing through passport control and security in order to get from one flight to another, so I went to the De Gaulle airport website and got quite a lot of useful information there under Procedures & Practical Information, and also used a very handy sort of trip planner they offer to print out detailed instructions on precisely how to get from my inbound gate at terminal 2E (international arrivals) to my departing gate at 2D. Here's a copy of those instructions, if you're curious: http://www.mediafire.com/?emvz4ma4dvm7h8p

Coming back into the US I wasn't quite as ---- as I had plenty of time, wasn't worried about a connection, and I'm already fairly familiar with the laws and customs of the US. I had my form 6059B filled out ahead of time, so the only uncertainty was passport control, and that turned out to be pretty damn easy.


For reference, airport security screening in the EU is almost identical to in the US (even for domestic flights) with the exception that removal of shoes is not mandatory. They have exactly the same rules concerning liquids, though they are, of course, described in milliliters rather than ounces.
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Nobody pays attention to the really important ones. Seriously, show of hands- without looking it up, can anybody here tell me anything about the 9'th and 10'th Amendments? Anything at all?
Yes, the 9th amendment prevents gov't infringement on our rights not specifically granted. The 10th amendment grants powers to the people and state of those not specifically granted to congress.
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Old 11-28-2010, 11:40 PM   #104
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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=232457

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Dangers include syphilis, lice, viruses, ringworm...

...WND reported two days ago on alarmed passengers who noted that TSA agents doing the pat-downs that have been described by critics as molestation since they include touching private body parts were not changing gloves between passengers. In fact, some apparently were patting down dozens of passengers or more wearing the same gloves.
TSA, lol.
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Old 11-29-2010, 08:08 AM   #105
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Use dogs:

And this guy explains how crappy the "improved" security really is:

http://www.counterpunch.org/ridgeway11242010.html
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Old 11-30-2010, 12:36 PM   #106
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I'd rather just have them touch my body.

touch my body body, oh just touch my body.


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Thanks for helping me write my paper, guys.

My thesis is "The Transportation Security Administration should not be allowed to mandate the process of full-body imaging for additional security measures in airplane travel because it infringes on the privacy of human beings, wastes time, and is ineffective for the cost."
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Old 11-30-2010, 05:16 PM   #108
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If you want to give reason why it should not be allowed then you should look no further than the Constitution because that is the governing document that our government is supposed to adhere to.

The rest is trivial and nonsupporting to the statement of "should not be allowed".

If you wanted to claim "why it should be discontinued" then yes, that would be but a few reasons.


"ineffective for the cost" just made me laugh. 1. it's a government program, so of course it will be ineffective. 2. it's a government program of course it will cost a lot.
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Well gee... I'm just trying to get a good grade so I can get a degree so I can get a good job so I can make money so I can support a family. :(

I removed "be allowed to"
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Well gee... I'm just trying to get a good grade so I can get a degree so I can get a good job so I can make money so I can give it all to the government so that they can distribute it as they see fit.
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Not all of my money goes to the government... :(


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my wife just flew out of reagan, no scanners...they were there, just not in operation.
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Didn't have 'em at all at RSW last week when I flew out.
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Good Link on a civil discussion about the actual costs and safety measures provided by the new scanner.
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Newark didn't have anything up and running this week either. No patdowns were observed for that matter. Of course, the airtrain was down, along with the escalators, elevators and all of the electric sliding doors as well. Don't know if that had anything to do with it, but it sure did hose up transport between terminals.
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TSA: We'll touch your *****, but ignore your gun!

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According to one report, undercover TSA agents testing security at a Newark airport terminal on one day in 2006 found that TSA screeners failed to detect concealed bombs and guns 20 out of 22 times. A 2007 government audit leaked to USA Today revealed that undercover agents were successful slipping simulated explosives and bomb parts through Los Angeles's LAX airport in 50 out of 70 attempts, and at Chicago's O'Hare airport agents made 75 attempts and succeeded in getting through undetected 45 times.
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I am flying out of BWI next Tuesday to Laguardia and then down to Charleston. I am planning on getting pat down instead of the scanners. I am thinking I tell them I am gay and to please rub it a few extra times.
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