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Old 04-25-2011, 11:32 AM   #61
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I didn't blame obama. But I said it will get worse if he tries to solve the problem. The President spoke on April 21st about how he's going to do something...and he pointed blame at oil speculators.




Get rid of E10 gas and prices will go down.
Allow the US to drill its own oil and prices will go down.
Take over the Middle East and prices will go down.

Dumping money into alternative fueling methods that will take 20 years to become mainstream and prices will not go down.

Seriously, when has Obama said he'd do something and REALLY been able to back it up?
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well he tries stuff...it's the end result that never turns out right.
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Seriously, when has Obama said he'd do something and REALLY been able to back it up?
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health care insurance reform.
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Default Ok Gas$ VS. Obama's 2 years of CHANGE!!!

2 years of Obama.Here's your change! Jan 2009.TODAY....% chg.....Source

Avg.. Retail price/gallon gas in U.S.....$1.83......$4.199....80%....... 1
Crude oil, European Brent (barrel).......$43.48....$100+.....130%.....2
Crude oil, West TX Inter. (barrel)........$38.74....$94........139%......2
Gold: London (per troy oz.)................$853.25..$1503.....60.5%.....2
Corn, No.2 yellow, Central IL.............$3.56.......$6.33.....78.1%.....2
Soybeans, No. 1 yellow, IL................$9.66.......$13.75....42.3%....2
Sugar, cane, raw, world, lb. Fob..........$13.37....$35.39....164.7%...2
Unemployment rate, non-farm, overall..7.6%.....8.8%...... 23.7%.....3
Unemployment rate, blacks................12.6%.....15.8%....25.4%.... .3
# of unemployed.............................11,616k.... 14,485k..24.7%.....3
# of fed. Employees(x-Military)...........2,779k......2,840k...2.2%..... 3
Median household income..................$50,112...$49,777..-0.7%......4
# food stamp recipients (curr=10/10)....31,983k..43,201k..35.1%.....5
# unemployment benefit recipients......7,526k....9,193k.....22.2%.....6
# of long-term unemployed................2,600k....6,400k.....146 .2%...3
Poverty rate, individuals...................13.2%......14.3%.... .8.3%......4
People in poverty in U.S. (2008 v 2009)39,800k..43,600k..9.5%...... 4
US Rank Economic Freedom World Rank..5th......9th.........Down......10
Present Situation Index (curr = 12/10) 29.9.......23.5........-21.4%...11
Failed banks(curr=2010+2011 to date) 140........164..........17.1%...12
Dollar vs Japanese yen exchange rate..89.76.....82.03......-8.6%.....12
USMoney supply, M1, in billions .........1,575.1...1,865.7...18.4%....13
USMoney supply, M2, in billions..........8,310.9...8,852.3....6.5%.....13
National debt, in trillions.................$10..627...$14..052...32 .2%....14
-----------------------24 negatives out of 24 reports.-----------------------

In 2 years, Obama has GROWN OUR national debt 2700% as fast as during the rest of our entire nation's history.. Over 27 times as fast. Metaphorically speaking, WE ARE DRIVING 65 MPH and a car rockets past you 27 times faster, it would be doing 1,755 MPH!

Sources: (1) U.S. Energy Information Administration; (2) Wall Street Journal; (3) Bureau of Labor Statistics; (4) Census Bureau; (5) USDA; (6) U.S. Dept. Of Labor; (7) FHFA; (8) Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller; (9) RealtyTrac; (10) Heritage Foundation and WSJ; (11) The Conference Board; (12) FDIC; (13) Federal Reserve; (14) U.S. Treasury/[/SIZE]
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that's all great and all but how is obama personally responsible for most of that list? and how does it even matter who is president at all?

let me quote you an example from wikipedia:

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The Troubled Asset Relief Program, commonly referred to as TARP, is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector which was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008. It was a component of the government's measures in 2008 to address the subprime mortgage crisis.
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At least the banks paid back the money with interest But IIRc, the gov't didn't even purchase any of the bad assests that put us in the predicament in the first place...


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Shell Oil Company has announced it must scrap efforts to drill for oil this summer in the Arctic Ocean off the northern coast of Alaska. The decision comes following a ruling by the EPA’s Environmental Appeals Board to withhold critical air permits. The move has angered some in Congress and triggered a flurry of legislation aimed at stripping the EPA of its oil drilling oversight.

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At stake is an estimated 27 billion barrels of oil. That’s how much the U. S. Geological Survey believes is in the U.S. portion of the Arctic Ocean. For perspective, that represents two and a half times more oil than has flowed down the Trans Alaska pipeline throughout its 30-year history. That pipeline is getting dangerously low on oil. At 660,000 barrels a day, it’s carrying only one-third its capacity.

Production on the North Slope of Alaska is declining at a rate of about 7 percent a year. If the volume gets much lower, pipeline officials say they will have to shut it down. Alaska officials are blasting the Environmental Protection Agency.
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Well, he did bring change. And I have Hope, so I don't know why everybody keeps complaining.


{Don't tell anybody but Hope is tied down to a bed in my basement}



Seriously, did anyone think that an ardent anti-capitalist would bring prosperity to a capitalist country? That has got to be the most nonsensical premise one could possibly put forth.
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EPA stand for Economic Pissoff Agency.
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Stop the politics bickering or else this gets moved to the politics section.

We all know Obama is not to blame as everything is clearly Bush's fault.
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I didn't blame obama. But I said it will get worse if he tries to solve the problem. The President spoke on April 21st about how he's going to do something...and he pointed blame at oil speculators.




Get rid of E10 gas and prices will go down.
Allow the US to drill its own oil and prices will go down.
Take over the Middle East and prices will go down.

Dumping money into alternative fueling methods that will take 20 years to become mainstream and prices will not go down.
**** E-10 as it's only purpose is to put money in the pockets of subsidized farmers. There is no benefit to the enviornment, if anything, it's much worse for the enviornment from seed to burnt fuel. All it is, is a welfare check for corn farmers who grow fuel corn and want an everlasting teet to suck on.

Oh the EPA and their overzealous ****-like policies and regulations. Sure they help keep the gross polluters from turning us into China, but there are a lot of things they do that make no sense.

It's been proven for 50+ years the hybrid automobiles are not going to be majority of the market. This is a decision partly on the mfgs. own doing as they simply do not want majority of the cars out there to be ultra-efficent. Neither do the oil companies who (I suspect) work lobby the auto companes. They always blame the consumer for not support/not buying such cars in masses....yet they refuse to mass-market them....or simply over price said vehicles.


If we can create a shitty fuel alternative like E-85, I think we can swing the other way and make a fuel that is more potent than gasoline...a fuel that requires less substance to create the same combustion power.
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well look how good all the social countries are florushing.

population decline, major debt, no jobs. sounds like the way to go, why did we leave mother lan din the first place?!
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haha does this count as thread drift?

only $38 here for a tank of gas

as for the politics; i spend too much time on my car to have any idea what you guys are talking about but Trump should totally be our next president!
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I nearly **** myself the first time I broke $40 to fill up a few weeks ago. I remember even a few years ago when I first got the car, a fill-up was still in the $20-$25 range.
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Old 04-27-2011, 01:12 PM   #74
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haha does this count as thread drift?

only $38 here for a tank of gas

as for the politics; i spend too much time on my car to have any idea what you guys are talking about but Trump should totally be our next president!
Obama has a JD/PhD in Political BS!

Donald has a PhD in Billions & Jobs & Deals!

Politics was needed in 1776!!

Budgets, Jobs and Deals are needed in 2012!!

If Donald doesn't operate our "BIG USA Company" we may see $6-8/Gallon gas by 2014.

12 gallon Miata tank x $8-10/gallon = $96 to $120 per tank!!!
Obama wants high gas prices and Clean energy to "get us off the black stuff".
Donald wants low oil prices, more domestic supply & wants our money back from the other countries we helped, all 28 of them per wiki and GAO. This amount is approximately $5-7trillion we spent on other countries, like an international "food stamp program" that USA tax payers must pay. I don't mind $4/gallon but when it get's to $8-10, I'll go Prius vs. Turbo 1.8L....
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I think we need to take our money back from Hati. Should never have pumped so much into that place to begin with. Ugh. Trump will kill the country because he is a communist.
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There is nothing wrong in helping other people, if and when they are worthy of the help and you can afford to help them.
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There is nothing wrong in helping other people, if and when they are worthy of the help and you can afford to help them.
America cannot afford to HELP others. We do, but we cannot afford it anymore! The total Fed, state, county & city Debt amounts to over $52 Trillion in Bonds and T-Bills. That does not include Pensions and medical bills and Social Security. That $52 Trillion is already ISSUED by Feds, States, Cities, Counties and other Govt. Agencies.

If we include: Entitlements, Social Security, Medical, Pensions not funded & medical payments for "retired govt. workers" we exceed $100 Trillion from now to 2050. By then, we all kick the "DEBT CAN" to the next and later generations. We will not be here, only our old kids, grand kids, and great grand kids will be around to "pay the bill" like GREECE & IRELAND's kids.

I'm going Drag Racing Thursday night at Toyota Irwindale Raceway Los Angeles for $20. 4pm to 11pm and "turning off" my Android phone!
My Catless, resonator-less, Tinnney Glass pack muffer Miata is LOUDER THAN A 1600CC HARLEY. I love Miata's.... Loud, nasty, rubber smell, white smoke, drifting, donuts and "frugal" to operate! Perfect Therapy! Charlie Sheen & Lindsey Lohan should get a Miata Turbo and drive the TRACK!
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http://masbury.wordpress.com/2008/09...o-foreign-aid/

Are you getting all your facts from emails sent to you?

On that note, I do agree Haiti is just a wash up. If you refuse to do anything for yourself, why should I want to help you?
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America cannot afford to HELP others. We do, but we cannot afford it anymore! The total Fed, state, county & city Debt amounts to over $52 Trillion in Bonds and T-Bills. That does not include Pensions and medical bills and Social Security. That $52 Trillion is already ISSUED by Feds, States, Cities, Counties and other Govt. Agencies.

If we include: Entitlements, Social Security, Medical, Pensions not funded & medical payments for "retired govt. workers" we exceed $100 Trillion from now to 2050. By then, we all kick the "DEBT CAN" to the next and later generations. We will not be here, only our old kids, grand kids, and great grand kids will be around to "pay the bill" like GREECE & IRELAND's kids.

I'm going Drag Racing Thursday night at Toyota Irwindale Raceway Los Angeles for $20. 4pm to 11pm and "turning off" my Android phone!
My Catless, resonator-less, Tinnney Glass pack muffer Miata is LOUDER THAN A 1600CC HARLEY. I love Miata's.... Loud, nasty, rubber smell, white smoke, drifting, donuts and "frugal" to operate! Perfect Therapy! Charlie Sheen & Lindsey Lohan should get a Miata Turbo and drive the TRACK!
can you post something with more terms in "quotes" and CAPS please?
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i like "facts" and "figures" too!



Excerpt from Heritage Foundation:
  1. Gas Prices Are Skyrocketing Under President Obama: The oil futures market is just that, a futures market. The price-per-barrel spikes in oil this week have not affected the domestic market yet. In fact, former Shell Oil President John Hofmeister made the prediction in December 2010 that America would face $5/gallon gasoline by 2012, a full month before the revolution in Egypt began. At the end of President George W. Bush’s two terms in office, prices were 9% lower than when he took office (adjusted for inflation). The day before President Obama was inaugurated; the average price of a gallon of gas was $1.83. Today, that average is $3.14.
  2. President Obama Has Crippled Domestic Oil Exploration: Putting aside calls from some who want to increase domestic exploration to areas in Alaska and elsewhere, President Obama has completely shut down the existing oil drilling infrastructure in the U.S. At least 103 permits are awaiting review by the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement. The federal government has not approved a single new exploratory drilling plan in the Gulf of Mexico since Obama “lifted” his deepwater drilling moratorium in October 2010. Obama also reversed an earlier decision by his administration to open access to coastal waters for exploration, instead placing a seven-year ban on drilling in the Atlantic and Pacific Coasts and Eastern Gulf of Mexico as part of the government’s 2012-2017 Outer Continental Shelf Program.
  3. The Obama Permitorium is Costing the Government Much-Needed Revenue: The Gulf accounts for more than 25 percent of domestic oil production. With production in the Gulf expected to drop in 2011 by 220,000 barrels per day, the Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates the U.S. will suffer $3.7 million in lost revenue per day as a result of lost royalties. If that holds, the federal government would lose more than $1.35 billion from royalty payments, just this year.
  4. The Obama Administration Has Been Held in Contempt of Court: Federal District Court Judge Martin Feldman held the Obama Interior Department in contempt of court on February 2, 2011, for dismissively ignoring his ruling to cease the drilling moratorium which the judge had previously struck down as “arbitrary and capricious.” Judge Feldman has since given the Administration 30 days to act on permits it has needlessly and purposefully delayed saying inaction was “not a lawful option.”
  5. Jobs Are Being Killed by Obama’s Oil Policies: As a direct result of Obama’s oil policies, companies that help supply our domestic energy needs are going out of business. Most recently, Houston-based Seahawk Drilling filed for bankruptcy. The Chief Operating Officer of the offshore drilling company, Randy Stilley, stated: “The decision by regulators to arbitrarily construct unnecessary barriers to obtaining permits they had traditionally authorized has had an adverse impact not only on Seahawk, but on the sector as a whole.”
  6. And More Jobs Are Being Killed: Vendors, suppliers, even restaurants and retailers are losing ground or going out of business as a result of the economically crippling policies Obama has unilaterally imposed. According to Reuters, many of the thirty-plus deepwater rigs in the Gulf have moved to other markets. Each rig directly employs approximately 200 people, but that doesn’t even count the ripple effect across the nation. One industry official told CNBC that the industry was on “life support.” But President Obama is spending billions to finance offshore jobs…in Brazil. The Obama Administration committed at least $2 billion in 2009 towards Petrobras, one of the largest offshore oil drilling companies in the world.
  7. Decreasing Our Domestic Supply Increases Foreign Dependence: Even Energy Secretary Steven Chu admits that “any disruption in the Middle East means a partial disruption in the oil we import. It’s a world market and [a disruption] could actually have real harm of the price.” If this is the case, then cutting our domestic supply hardly seems like an appropriate response. Rather than face this reality, Secretary Chu ridiculously called for an increase in renewable energy investments, which is a complete non-sequitur.
  8. Renewable Energy Is Not the Answer to Mideast Turmoil: According to the EIA, petroleum accounts for less than one percent of electricity production. So wind and solar, which do not produce transportation fuel even if Obama’s $40,000 Chevy Volt quadruples production, can only replace coal and natural gas, of which America has an abundant supply. As for biomass, over 40 percent of domestic corn consumption goes to ethanol, which provides less than 10 percent of our transportation fuel and causes food prices to increase. Three large production platforms in the Gulf could provide an amount equivalent to all of the biofuels produced in the U.S.
  9. Regulations and Delays: The Obama EPA has added costly new regulations to refineries in the name of global warming, while the Obama Interior Department issues new rules that make it much harder to develop natural resources on government land. The EPA is also denying approval of the Keystone pipeline which would increase the amount of oil the U.S. receives from our friendly neighbor Canada by over a million barrels per day.
  10. The Middle East Is Not the Sole Cause of Rising Oil Prices: Global oil prices have been rising steadily for months based on variety of factors including those listed above and as the world economy pulls out of a recession. In fact, Egypt is not a major producer of petroleum, and only 2-3 percent of the world’s supply moves through the Suez Canal. Certain spikes are not abnormal and can be more easily weathered with a smarter domestic energy strategy.
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