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Old 09-09-2015, 07:41 PM   #21
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For realsies, a $2600 TSE shortblock, $2400 TSE manifold/6258/downpipe, intercooler/pipes, MS3, injectors+fp, and a clutch, and that's a reliable 300whp on pump gas.
And a 6spd, and a 1.8 rear end.
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Old 09-09-2015, 07:43 PM   #22
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I put a car on cc once. True story.
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And a 6spd, and a 1.8 rear end.
</p><p>Or mechanical empathy <img alt="" src="https://www.miataturbo.net/images/smilies/smile.gif" title="" /></p><p>
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my fault, was talking about 300hp at motor not at wheels, and budget is always an issue :/

actually 6sp and 1.8 rear end are on, also oil cooler, reroute and alu rad...

bottom will be forged 1.6 with 8.4 pistons...
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Or mechanical empathy
You can fill a 1.6 with bottles of mechanical empathy, two of the big ones, and it will still pop.

And who measures crank hp on this forum? You got an engine dyno in your *** or something? Measurable hp comes from the wheels on a street car. OEMs and race car shops may have engine dynos but we don't.
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You can fill a 1.6 with bottles of mechanical empathy, two of the big ones, and it will still pop.

And who measures crank hp on this forum? You got an engine dyno in your *** or something? Measurable hp comes from the wheels on a street car. OEMs and race car shops may have engine dynos but we don't.
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Corrected engine power DIN
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Why would you do that? It's not real. I don't understand the concept of taking measured real power and converting it to fairy-land numbers that don't mean anything.
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<p></p><p>Or mechanical empathy <img alt="" src="https://www.miataturbo.net/images/smilies/smile.gif" title="" /></p><p></p><p>They know my household income.</p>

No amount of mechanical empathy will let a 1.6 rear end last behind 300hp.
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Corrected engine power DIN
have you measured your drivetrain losses?
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have you measured your drivetrain losses?
More importantly, have you measured it at every possible power number?
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have you measured front wheel drivetrain loss?
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have you measured your drivetrain losses?
yes, about 15%


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More importantly, have you measured it at every possible power number?
nope, only top hp


Anyway maybe i would have to ask something different like: 250/260 Whp target
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have you measured front wheel drivetrain loss?
sure, but only on stright, now i must see on corners, uphills and so on...
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what about driver train loss?
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Anyway maybe i would have to ask something different like: 250/260 Whp target
or maybe actually post up a proper question for discussion, with like, you know, details?

but that's only if you're actually trying to have a valid discussion
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Have you raced a CLS63?
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yes, about 15%
so when your 100hp motor is stock, you're only making 85hp to the wheels (15hp loss), but once your build it and make 300 crank power, you're only going to be at 255 at the wheels (45hp loss)?

that sucks.
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Have you measured your IQ?
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so when your 100hp motor is stock, you're only making 85hp to the wheels (15hp loss), but once your build it and make 300 crank power, you're only going to be at 255 at the wheels (45hp loss)?

that sucks.
Funny story - I had this convo on nabisco, and we arrived at the conclusion that the real number is somewhere in between. It does vary though, not directly proportional, which I can actually accept.
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Correct, it's not a static loss. The more power you make, the higher the percentage.

I remember arguing about this with Corky a time or two on here.
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