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Old 08-20-2006, 03:09 PM   #1
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http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/zt2/zt2.htm

This is a Nice wide-band for the price and it's reccommended in modified mag, has anyone here had any expierence with this wideband ?
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Don't know a great deal about Wideband so it would be nice if somone could fill me in.

If you change your current O2 sensor for Wideband unless the system is running open loop the factory ECU will need to monitor the O2 sensor, when installing a wideband does the ECU still have connectivity to the Wideband?
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You don't replace the factory 02 sensor , You have to buy a bung, make a tap in the exhaust or downpipe, So you are running the wideband in it's own port ,AT least I believe thats how it works
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Don't know a great deal about Wideband so it would be nice if somone could fill me in.

If you change your current O2 sensor for Wideband unless the system is running open loop the factory ECU will need to monitor the O2 sensor, when installing a wideband does the ECU still have connectivity to the Wideband?
just buy the controller thingy. **** making a bung.
and guys on the board have been running the zeitronix for like 2 years
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The Zeitronix, if mounted far enough from the turbo to not overheat, can give you a WBO2 readout and send an artificial signal to the ECU to replace the narrowband.

The Zeitronix narrowband output is not equivalent to a true narrowband output on the upper and lower ends of the scale, and so cannot be used with the Autotune.
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i wish i had a better grip on tuning :(
at least with electronics and such....maybe i just have to jump into it
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FWIW, I've seen the Zeitronix and I run the Innovate LC-1. While the LC-1 is cheaper as it's just a WB controller and sensor and it works very well, I must admit that the relatively cheap add-ons for the Zeitronix such as the EGT, boost sensor, and additional input make it very attractive as a complete tuning tool.

If I can get my WB logged with the emanage thru the alpha tool, then I'll be pretty happy with the LC-1, but if I can't I probably would be wishing for the Zeitronix setup b/c currently I have to log the emanage info and lc-1 info separately. Hopefully the alpha tool will fix that and I'll be able to log WB o2 reading with everything else so I can graph it all out together to really be able to pin down the areas where fueling can be fine tuned. YMMV.
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Think i'm going LC-1 anyways, need to do some reading using it with a EMU, LC-1 has got price on its side + i prefer the pod dial you can get with the LC-1 no place the stick that HUGE display!
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For $179 shipped you can't go wrong with the LC-1. And since I'll only use it for tuning, I'm not going to bother with the display. If I need one I'll just stare at my laptop like in Fast and the Furious. (Then I'll come to find out I need NOS.)
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But don't use too much NOS or inexplicably your passanger footwell will fall off.....
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For $179 shipped you can't go wrong with the LC-1. And since I'll only use it for tuning, I'm not going to bother with the display. If I need one I'll just stare at my laptop like in Fast and the Furious. (Then I'll come to find out I need NOS.)
where do you find it for 179 shipped?
is this what your talking about?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Innov...QQcmdZViewItem

what about the aem one? is anyone running that with any level of success?
like this one
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AEM-G...QQcmdZViewItem
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But don't use too much NOS or inexplicably your passanger footwell will fall off.....
... and never lose a race MONNNIIIICAAAAAAAA!!
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where do you find it for 179 shipped?
is this what your talking about?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Innov...QQcmdZViewItem

what about the aem one? is anyone running that with any level of success?
like this one
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AEM-G...QQcmdZViewItem
I used to have the link to the shop that sold them....I'll see if I can find it.
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I can't seem to find it. However this seller on Ebay is selling it for 189 shipped.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Innov...QQcmdZViewItem
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http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/zt2/zt2.htm

This is a Nice wide-band for the price and it's reccommended in modified mag, has anyone here had any expierence with this wideband ?

Yeah, It's not bad. I adapted a different map sensor(virtually free). So with the base unit I can still log RPM, MAP, TPS, A/F. I had an issue with my main unit a few months after the warrantee ran out, I sent them mine, and they still replaced it free of charge... However--There is no number to call for tech support--they only work via e-mail
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I can't seem to find it. However this seller on Ebay is selling it for 189 shipped.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Innov...QQcmdZViewItem
Ok what?? how do you use just a cord with a O2 sensor...Ummm do you connect it to a gauge ...Ummm sorry if I sound stupid asking , but Im lost ...Do you weld a bung perferlbly a foot past the downpipe or further, and connect to a a/f gauge??
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Do you have a laptop? The lc-1 comes with everything you need, minus a gauge. If you have a laptop you really dont need a gauge, per say.

The software that the lc-1 comes with allows you to send a signal to any narrowband gauge to see a reading. So you can by a $7 lcd display panel and read your a/f. Or convert a $50 narrowband guage to display accurate readings.

Otherwise the main advantage is datalogging. This way you can do some highway pulls and see your printout on your laptop, then you can tune accordingly. No need to take it to a dyno at this point. Displaying the a/f is a good feature, but how accurate can you stare at your gauges when your making a pull to tune.

You can get the same thing with a really kick *** gauge for $399. you can set your range (10:1-15:1), colors (infinate), they'll even print a custom overlay face for it, and it's ony 3/4" thick so you can mount it anywhere.

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/x...cat=262&page=1


Best spot for a bung is right before the cat. Far enough away from the turbo to not cause heat damage to the sensor.
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Ok so I can use it with ethier a a/f gauge, or lcd screen? , Im curious about your set-up, how are you running 305cc injecters on your set-up with just a 8:1 fmu?
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What kind of lcd panel?
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Ok so I can use it with ethier a a/f gauge, or lcd screen? , Im curious about your set-up, how are you running 305cc injecters on your set-up with just a 8:1 fmu?
The RX-7 afm can lean out the idle enough for the ecu to handle them. I just got it back up and running and I'm scheduled for an hour of dyno time on Friday so we'll see how it looks.

http://www.mpja.com/productview.asp?product=14505+ME

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Set 0.8V = 8AFR, 2V = 20AFR. Then use the jumper settings on the $9 panel meter to move the decimal point one position to the right.
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