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Old 09-12-2010, 01:08 AM   #21
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Maybe I was miss understood, the boost signal IS on the compressor. The GT2554 comes with a 3 bolt flange as the compressor output. The 2" hose coupler bolted to the flange has the signal port.

Basically where it is on every turbo.
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Old 09-12-2010, 01:15 AM   #22
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Are you certain the turbine housing and CHRA are seated properly?
I would think yes, when I clocked the unit, I started with the hot side. Followed the directions to the letter. Lostened the bolts in a star pattern only about 1/2 turn. Clocked it and tightened them to Garrett spec gradually in a cross cross/star pattern.

Other then that, looking at it, No. The blades only hit on one side of the outlet.
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reading that letter from a Garret employee is believable for me.
ive worked for Rolls Royce Aero engines and the blades we manufactured were defective basically rolls royce wanted to cut cmanfacturing costs which meant skipping processes in manufacturing which lead to hairline cracks on their blades.
the results was many engine failures in service.
emirates words were we are extremely concerned concerned with the quality of rolls royce engines and for the safety of its passangers.
this cost my company multi milions to recall engines to remove stator blades from engines which had blades made with the **** manufacturing process.

also i had a porsche boxster 3.2s and it was **** the wheel nuts rusted the coil packs fooked up and the water pump failed and the car only had 40k miles the paintwork was incredibly thin. i really wasnt impressed with porsche quality it was actually boring to drive.the mx5 on the other hand was a joy!!!

i gues when companys make a name in quality they cut costs reduce employe numbers etc what appens is they make alot of money short term but long term company reputation suffers.

this happened with mercedes they made great cars at one time then they cut costs and the cars they made were **** for about ten years until they started investing profit back into manufacturing.now i work for a company which is been bought by a consortium which specialises in buying restructuring then selling on for profit.
first thing theey done was get rid of company pensions and robbed everyone who worked there of their pensions then they they told many people they would lose their jobs but re employed them through an agency on lower salary and non permanent position and they are cutting my company to the bones to make the largest profit possible then they will sell it on stock market how long my company will survive after this iam unsure but no one gives a **** now.

so yes i do believe the garret letter its happening everywhere especially now the world is experiencing a recession companys are tightening their belts and still trying to make maximum profit.
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reading that letter from a Garret employee is believable for me.
ive worked for Rolls Royce Aero engines and the blades we manufactured were defective basically rolls royce wanted to cut cmanfacturing costs which meant skipping processes in manufacturing which lead to hairline cracks on their blades.
the results was many engine failures in service.
emirates words were we are extremely concerned concerned with the quality of rolls royce engines and for the safety of its passangers.
this cost my company multi milions to recall engines to remove stator blades from engines which had blades made with the **** manufacturing process.

also i had a porsche boxster 3.2s and it was **** the wheel nuts rusted the coil packs fooked up and the water pump failed and the car only had 40k miles the paintwork was incredibly thin. i really wasnt impressed with porsche quality it was actually boring to drive.the mx5 on the other hand was a joy!!!

i gues when companys make a name in quality they cut costs reduce employe numbers etc what appens is they make alot of money short term but long term company reputation suffers.

this happened with mercedes they made great cars at one time then they cut costs and the cars they made were **** for about ten years until they started investing profit back into manufacturing.now i work for a company which is been bought by a consortium which specialises in buying restructuring then selling on for profit.
first thing theey done was get rid of company pensions and robbed everyone who worked there of their pensions then they they told many people they would lose their jobs but re employed them through an agency on lower salary and non permanent position and they are cutting my company to the bones to make the largest profit possible then they will sell it on stock market how long my company will survive after this iam unsure but no one gives a **** now.

so yes i do believe the garret letter its happening everywhere especially now the world is experiencing a recession companys are tightening their belts and still trying to make maximum profit.
Rolls Royce =! Porsche =! Garrett

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One time I was given free reign of a bagel store I worked in. I was in charge of everything. Everyone was gone for the day. I made a hero out of bagel dough. Whole wheat dough, everything bagel toppings. I made the bread into garlic bread, with REAL garlic and REAL onions that I sauteed up in fresh butter. The day before, my boss was having a family party so he ordered REAL Italian gourmet meats from Italy, to do it right. He made all the platters ahead of time, but still had leftover meats that he said we could use for our own delight. Real prosciutto, real salami, real provolone cheese that was unprocessed and unpasteurized. Capicola ham, spiced ham. I made a spiced mayonnaise myself, in the store. Roma tomatoes. Romaine lettuce that I delved through to find the perfect pieces. Red onion. I stacked the meat so that it would be fluffy, folding each piece and making sure that it was in line with the bread-horizon. I used a perfectly sharpened bread knife to cut it on a slight diagonal across the hero-bagel-bread. I roasted some red peppers that we had over our grill, and used the true, raw olive oil that he had used for the party for antipasto trays. I used a few olives to make a small tapenade that went into the center of the bread, injected via turkey baster. After I cut it, I wrapped it up and put it into our walk-in refrigerator to marinate for about half an hour. I made a sandwich whose street value was easily over 150 dollars. I made two of these sandwiches. I gave one to my friend Kenny for his birthday. The other one I ate over the course of a day. I ate nothing else that day. I wept. Guys, I don't want this to sound like some bullshit story, but I ******* cried. I ******* cried over this sandwich, and I think about it every few weeks. This was almost four or five years ago.
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Seeing as you want to educate me in using the shift key Why don't you learn that irish come from ireland and scottish come from scotland you ignorant retard.and what's your point caller?
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Seeing as you want to educate me in using the shift key Why don't you learn that irish come from ireland and scottish come from scotland you ignorant retard.and what's your point caller?
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Seeing as you want to educate me in using the shift key Why don't you learn that irish come from ireland and scottish come from scotland you ignorant retard.and what's your point caller?
Sometimes I get the various Celts mixed up, oh whale. I'll drink a Bushmill's for you.

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The Garrett site says to contact the distributor.

He gave me a heads up about how strict Garrett is and the warranty inspection process. Basically I send it to them, they decide what happened and we go from there.
Having had over 50 turbos tested for various failures, NEVER has one come back with an actual manufacturing problem. And, honestly, that is all the warranty is good for. If the turbo is made or assembled wrong. My experience is that 99.99% of all turbo failures are not covered under warranty. ATP will tell you the same thing also. Rarely, do they replace a turbo under warranty.

99.9% of all failures are user induced. Whether it be negligence (usually unknowingly or Teflon tape used on a fitting) or the turbo ate something the motor spit out. Since you had excessive blow by, I would double check the motor. Usually you only see turbine side damage/failure when the turbo has foreign particle damage.

In the last conversation I had with a Garrett engineer, I was told Garrett had only replaced one turbo in the last two years under warranty. It had failed from the incorrect installation of the seals. One turbo in who knows how many???

You will have to send the turbo to ATP for evaluation. They will charge you a $50-$75 fee to look at and test the turbo. The fee is in addition to any fees incurred from replacing the CHRA and turbine housing replacement. They will tell you whether or not the turbine housing can be salvaged. CHRA replacements start at $450, depending upon the turbo size. I have seen some go for as much as $700. If you want a chance in hades of getting the turbo replaced under warranty, you need to be up front with ATP about an oil catch can being installed, leak down AND compression test results, whether or not an oil restrictor is used, and PCV valve info. 99.9 % of the time ATP can provide you with the cause of damage and the evidence to support it. It is most likely from foreign particle damage. i.e. Teflon tape being used, foreign particles in the coolant or oil, or something from the motor (i.e. piston ring) failed it. I do not send in turbos for evaluation unless a compression and leak down test have been performed, an oil restrictor has been used (in some cases), and the PCV valve is tested to be good. I find it to be a waste of every one's time to try and get the turbo replaced under warranty unless you can isolate the problem to the turbo, and the turbo is not the symptom.

I would also check your manifold for any damage on the inside. Any scrapes or clean spots will also tell a story. Good luck!
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Other then that, looking at it, No. The blades only hit on one side of the outlet.
yeah looks like it's not all straight and it's bolted together on an angle.
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yeah looks like it's not all straight and it's bolted together on an angle.
this is the first thing I saw when looking at the first pic. Looks like the CHRA was cocked/angled inside the turbine & tightened. ouch. There's no reason the scratches would be on only part of the turbine otherwise. My limited experience has been that when the bearings go or something hard gets injested thru the turbine, the scratches are even all the way around the turbine outlet.

And why do the surfaces of the turbine blades look like they have grooves in them?
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wordlyphe, son. It looks just like my failure.
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So user error.

Ouch.

Start saving up for a new turbo.
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That housing might be salvagable...I smoothed mine a bit with sand-paper and never looked back. I think the CHRA is not seated properly.
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Start using the shift key or you'll get the Irish ban hammer.

whats this shift key deal?? someone said something to me about not knowing how to use a shift key. and im confused about it. sorry to thread jack.
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whats this shift key deal?? someone said something to me about not knowing how to use a shift key. and im confused about it. sorry to thread jack.
There's not a single capital letter in your entire post, you ******* retard.
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There's not a single capital letter in your entire post, you ******* retard.
Now that **** was funny...not even in his damn sigline (or user name). ******' A son.

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well, we know he has one because he was about to type the !! at the end, and the ? marks
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