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MezJr 09-13-2010 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 628672)
One time I was given free reign of a bagel store I worked in. I was in charge of everything. Everyone was gone for the day. I made a hero out of bagel dough. Whole wheat dough, everything bagel toppings. I made the bread into garlic bread, with REAL garlic and REAL onions that I sauteed up in fresh butter. The day before, my boss was having a family party so he ordered REAL Italian gourmet meats from Italy, to do it right. He made all the platters ahead of time, but still had leftover meats that he said we could use for our own delight. Real prosciutto, real salami, real provolone cheese that was unprocessed and unpasteurized. Capicola ham, spiced ham. I made a spiced mayonnaise myself, in the store. Roma tomatoes. Romaine lettuce that I delved through to find the perfect pieces. Red onion. I stacked the meat so that it would be fluffy, folding each piece and making sure that it was in line with the bread-horizon. I used a perfectly sharpened bread knife to cut it on a slight diagonal across the hero-bagel-bread. I roasted some red peppers that we had over our grill, and used the true, raw olive oil that he had used for the party for antipasto trays. I used a few olives to make a small tapenade that went into the center of the bread, injected via turkey baster. After I cut it, I wrapped it up and put it into our walk-in refrigerator to marinate for about half an hour. I made a sandwich whose street value was easily over 150 dollars. I made two of these sandwiches. I gave one to my friend Kenny for his birthday. The other one I ate over the course of a day. I ate nothing else that day. I wept. Guys, I don't want this to sound like some bullshit story, but I fucking cried. I fucking cried over this sandwich, and I think about it every few weeks. This was almost four or five years ago.

Need to make that into a romantic comedy. Also, I like the idea of a sandwich with "street value".

MezJr 09-14-2010 02:45 PM

About the turbo, I say just rev it and it should smooth out.

mgeoffriau 09-14-2010 03:22 PM

I swear every time I read this thread title I saw this:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...radgarrett.jpg

Braineack 09-14-2010 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by MezJr (Post 629305)
Need to make that into a romantic comedy. Also, I like the idea of a sandwich with "street value".


I used to work at a bagel place. it was win. free bagels ftw.

Full_Tilt_Boogie 09-14-2010 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by mezjr (Post 629689)
about the turbo, i say just rev it and it should smooth out.

wtf...

budget racer 09-14-2010 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 629699)
I used to work at a bagel place. it was win. free bagels ftw.

+1

It was my first job. I was promoted to baker at the age of 16. The early wake-up was a bummer.....but a fresh hot blueberry bagel straight out of the oven w/ cream cheese is a little piece of heaven.

Braineack 09-14-2010 04:13 PM

I'm an everything fan myself. but yeah, did the 4am sat/sun thing. i didn't mind, fresh bagels are worth it.

budget racer 09-14-2010 04:38 PM

turkey club on a toasted everything is win, no doubt

y8s 09-14-2010 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 629727)
I'm an everything fan myself. but yeah, did the 4am sat/sun thing. i didn't mind, fresh bagels are worth it.

btw, happy belated new year.

ScottFW 09-14-2010 04:54 PM

Wirelessly posted

The best bagels are boiled and baked New York style. When I lived in houston I'd drive 15 minutes each way to this one shop because it was the best in town. Bagels made by real old school Jews. Or at least by Mexicans under the direct supervision of Jews. They had a banana nut bagel that I still long for.

Braineack 09-14-2010 06:07 PM

yeah i like big dog deli in courthouse.

MezJr 09-14-2010 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by Full_Tilt_Boogie (Post 629709)
wtf...

sorry, bad joke.

MezJr 09-14-2010 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by ScottFW (Post 629758)
Wirelessly posted

The best bagels are boiled and baked New York style. When I lived in houston I'd drive 15 minutes each way to this one shop because it was the best in town. Bagels made by real old school Jews. Or at least by Mexicans under the direct supervision of Jews. They had a banana nut bagel that I still long for.

where?

hustler 09-14-2010 08:11 PM

lol @ thread hijack, thread hijack.

9671111 09-14-2010 09:32 PM

Busted ass turbos to bagels. Classic MT.net. Keep it up guys.

WonTon 09-15-2010 02:05 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 629699)
I used to work at a bagel place. it was win. free bagels ftw.


Originally Posted by budget racer (Post 629710)
+1

It was my first job. I was promoted to baker at the age of 16. The early wake-up was a bummer.....but a fresh hot blueberry bagel straight out of the oven w/ cream cheese is a little piece of heaven.


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 629727)
I'm an everything fan myself. but yeah, did the 4am sat/sun thing. i didn't mind, fresh bagels are worth it.

:giggle:

My favorite part of work is when i have to do some of the bakeing for 3rd shift. i would bake extra shit for myself. Mmmmmmmmm fresh croissants, garlic bagles and everything bagles make me very happy.

oh yeah, fresh muffins too! lol

Underway 09-15-2010 10:36 PM


Originally Posted by Stephanie Turner (Post 629032)
Having had over 50 turbos tested for various failures, NEVER has one come back with an actual manufacturing problem. And, honestly, that is all the warranty is good for. If the turbo is made or assembled wrong. My experience is that 99.99% of all turbo failures are not covered under warranty. ATP will tell you the same thing also. Rarely, do they replace a turbo under warranty. I don't know where it is sent from the distributor, it's on it's way there now. I'll post the letter I enclosed with the turbo next. Would it be possible to mate the CHRA at an angle if I only loosened the housing bolts by 1/2 turn?

99.9% of all failures are user induced. Whether it be negligence (usually unknowingly or Teflon tape used on a fitting no tape, copper washers on the banjo bolts) or the turbo ate something the motor spit out. Since you had excessive blow by I did???, I would double check the motor. Usually you only see turbine side damage/failure when the turbo has foreign particle damage.

In the last conversation I had with a Garrett engineer, I was told Garrett had only replaced one turbo in the last two years under warranty. It had failed from the incorrect installation of the seals. One turbo in who knows how many???

You will have to send the turbo to ATP for evaluation. They will charge you a $50-$75 fee to look at and test the turbo. The fee is in addition to any fees incurred from replacing the CHRA and turbine housing replacement. They will tell you whether or not the turbine housing can be salvaged. CHRA replacements start at $450, depending upon the turbo size. I have seen some go for as much as $700. If you want a chance in hades of getting the turbo replaced under warranty, you need to be up front with ATP about an oil catch can being installed check, leak down AND compression test results Didn't include that, whether or not an oil restrictor is used, and PCV valve info. 99.9 % of the time ATP can provide you with the cause of damage and the evidence to support it. It is most likely from foreign particle damage. i.e. Teflon tape being used, foreign particles in the coolant or oil both are brand new and I used distilled water, or something from the motor (i.e. piston ring) failed it. I do not send in turbos for evaluation unless a compression and leak down test have been performed, an oil restrictor has been used 0.32 (in some cases), and the PCV valve is tested to be good check. I find it to be a waste of every one's time to try and get the turbo replaced under warranty unless you can isolate the problem to the turbo, and the turbo is not the symptom.

I would also check your manifold for any damage on the inside. Any scrapes or clean spots will also tell a story used a dental mirror and a flash light, nada. Good luck! Thank you for the info!
Stephanie

I'll post the statement.

Underway 09-15-2010 10:39 PM

After receiving the turbo, the CRHA was clocked by the included instructions to include; only loosening the housing bolts a total of 1/2 turn, using a criss-cross pattern for both loosening and tightening and hand torque to spec with a torque wrench. After clocking there was no binding and the shaft was able to spin with no contact of the housing on either side. The turbo was then fitted with cooling and oil adaptors to include a 0.32 oil restrictor in the oil supply from the engine. The bearings were pre lubricated buy cranking the vehicle (ignition/fuel pump disabled) three times for ten seconds each after oil pressure was displayed on the oil pressure gauge. The vehicle was allowed to run for approximately 20 minutes, shut down and allowed to cool over night.
The next day, oil and coolant levels were checked. All fittings were also checked for leakage. After confirming fluid levels and no leaking fittings the vehicle was started and allowed to warm at idle speed for approximately 15 minutes. The boost controller was set open to prevent non mechanical boost. The vehicle was then driven at speeds of 5 to 35 m.p.h. at various RPM’s, not exceeding 3,200 RPM for approx. 30 minutes. The vehicle was always kept in a low vacuum state (as displayed on an analog gauge) in the range of -20 to 0 inches of mercury (hg”) for tuning purposes.
After approximately 30 minutes of tuning a slight “siren” whine was heard and the vehicle was immediately limped back to the shop and shut down. Approximately three minutes after the sound was detected the vehicle was shut down. When the turbo was cool enough to manipulate by gloved hand, the shaft was hand turned. Both binding and contact noises were observed. The turbo was allowed to cool completely and removed from the vehicle. Observed damage included about ¼ of the turbine housing and the turbine showing signs of contact.


Long post, sorry.

Underway 09-15-2010 10:56 PM

I have friends that worked at Dunkin Donuts in high school...I miss those days.

albumleaf 09-15-2010 11:36 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 628672)
One time I was given free reign of a bagel store I worked in. I was in charge of everything. Everyone was gone for the day. I made a hero out of bagel dough. Whole wheat dough, everything bagel toppings. I made the bread into garlic bread, with REAL garlic and REAL onions that I sauteed up in fresh butter. The day before, my boss was having a family party so he ordered REAL Italian gourmet meats from Italy, to do it right. He made all the platters ahead of time, but still had leftover meats that he said we could use for our own delight. Real prosciutto, real salami, real provolone cheese that was unprocessed and unpasteurized. Capicola ham, spiced ham. I made a spiced mayonnaise myself, in the store. Roma tomatoes. Romaine lettuce that I delved through to find the perfect pieces. Red onion. I stacked the meat so that it would be fluffy, folding each piece and making sure that it was in line with the bread-horizon. I used a perfectly sharpened bread knife to cut it on a slight diagonal across the hero-bagel-bread. I roasted some red peppers that we had over our grill, and used the true, raw olive oil that he had used for the party for antipasto trays. I used a few olives to make a small tapenade that went into the center of the bread, injected via turkey baster. After I cut it, I wrapped it up and put it into our walk-in refrigerator to marinate for about half an hour. I made a sandwich whose street value was easily over 150 dollars. I made two of these sandwiches. I gave one to my friend Kenny for his birthday. The other one I ate over the course of a day. I ate nothing else that day. I wept. Guys, I don't want this to sound like some bullshit story, but I fucking cried. I fucking cried over this sandwich, and I think about it every few weeks. This was almost four or five years ago.

Normally I hate it when people doublequote things, but everyone really ought to read this again.

Mostly so you can be hungry with me. Goddammit.


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