I want your spool data!
If some of you remember this thread: https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/sho...ighlight=spool
we started collecting spool-up rates of various turbo setups and threw them into a chart. I would like to collect new data and try again. So please respond using the follow example: Engine: '93 1/6L Turbo: T3 Super 60 .48 A/R Manifold: BEGi Cast "Directed Pulse" Downpipe Size/Style: Single tube 2.5" to 2.75" Exhaust Size: 2.75" to 3" Exhaust Components: Louvered resonator & Magnaflow Muffler Intercooler Core Size: 18"x12"x3" Intake Manifold: Stock Headwork: Mild Porting, deshrouding, blended bowl Engine Management: Megasquirt Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: Toyota COPs Trans & Rear End Ratio: 5-speed, 4.1 LSD Rear tire size: 205/45-16 FOURTH GEAR PULL: RPM Boost(psi) 2250 1.88 2300 2.46 2400 2.9 2500 3.48 2600 3.77 2700 4.5 2800 5.65 2900 6 3000 7.25 3100 8.1 3200 9.57 3300 10.7 3400 11.75 3500 12.2 3600 13.5 3700 14 Leave it on topic, or posts will get deleted. Try to take the log in 4th gear to keep things constant, and start the pull from 2K. Have fun, don't need to keep pulling to 7K and go +100mph ;) |
Engine: '01 1.8L
Turbo: GT2876R .64 A/R turbine housing Manifold: ETD long tube mild steel Downpipe Size/Style: 2.25 to 3" transition with external wg Exhaust Size: 3" Exhaust Components: cat, resonator, magnaflow big muff. Intercooler Core Size: Begi #2 Intake Manifold: Stock Headwork: zip Engine Management: hydra Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: Toyota COPs, intake valve advanced 6degrees, super light flywheel/clutch. FOURTH GEAR PULL: RPM PSI 2300 0.0 2350 0.6 2400 0.9 2500 1.2 2550 1.6 2700 2.2 2800 2.5 2850 2.8 3050 3.4 3100 3.7 3150 4.1 3200 4.4 3250 4.7 3350 5.6 3400 5.9 3450 6.6 3500 7.2 3550 7.8 3600 8.1 3650 8.7 3700 9.0 3750 9.4 4000 9.7 4050 9.7 4100 9.7 4150 9.7 |
Engine: '99 1.8L
Turbo: Garrett GT2560 Manifold: BEGI cast, directed pulse Downpipe Size/Style: BEGI stainless single tube Exhaust Size: 2.5" Exhaust Components: All Magnaflow: metallic high flow cat, resonator, muffler (stealthy) Intercooler Core Size: 12"x12"x4" Intake Manifold: stock Headwork: none Engine Management: Megasquirt Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters:Megasquirt controlled EBC with GM valve, 2.5"-3" IC plumbing over-the-top Atmosphere ~98 KPa FOURTH GEAR PULL: RPM Boost (psi) 1717 0.45 1801 1.19 1915 1.63 2004 2.08 2203 3.12 2426 4.75 2616 6.24 2816 7.42 3004 8.61 3198 8.17 3407 8.32 3611 8.32 3795 8.32 4018 9.06 4233 8.61 4444 9.35 4609 8.76 4805 9.35 5007 8.76 5241 9.06 5409 8.76 5598 8.76 5818 8.76 6022 8.61 6284 8.76 6310 8.76 EDIT: I logged a 4th gear pull on the way home today just for this thread. The data above has been updated accordingly. |
Engine: '94 1.8 liter, OEM 150k longblock
Turbo: GT2554R Manifold: BEGi Cast "Directed Pulse" (standard S2/S3) with EGR Downpipe Size/Style: BEGI 3" SSSG Exhaust Size: 3" Exhaust Components: BEGi DP, custom 3" midpipe with metal-core 3" cat, 3" Enthuza catback Intercooler Core Size: 27x6.5x2.5" Intake Manifold: Stock Headwork: OEM Engine Management: MSPNP Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: Toyota COPs, MS EBC FIFTH GEAR PULL: (equivalent of a 4th gear pull in a 5-speed car) RPM Boost(psi) 1750rpm: 1.0psi 1870rpm: 2.1psi 2014rpm: 3.3psi 2478rpm: 5.4psi 2626rpm: 6.1psi 2783rpm: 7.3psi 3004rpm: 9.4psi 3188rpm: 11.0psi 3394rpm: 12.5psi 3601rpm: 14.1psi Specify what tranny/rear end you have as well. My 5th gear and everyone else's 4th gear is the same. |
Engine: '94 1/8L
Turbo: GT2860rs Manifold: BEGi S4 stainless tubular Downpipe Size/Style: BEGI divorced Exhaust Size: 2.5"Exhaust Components: Magnaflow Muffler, metal cat Intercooler Core Size: 18"x8"x3" Intake Manifold: Stock Headwork: none Engine Management: Megasquirt Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: Toyota COPs 3rd GEAR PULL: RPM Boost(psi) 3300 = 1psi 3450 = 2psi 3487 = 3psi 3495= 4psi 3520 = 5psi 3550= 6psi 3620= 7psi 3640= 8psi 3660= 9psi 3700= 10psi 3780= 11psi Limit Total elapsed time 1.36 seconds in 3rd gear. Taken from track day datalog. Was best full throttle example from a low rpm I could find. Makes boost earlier on other logs but this was the cleanest example. |
Engine: '92 1.6L
Turbo: TD04L-13T from 06 Subaru WRX Manifold: ETD long tube mild steel Downpipe Size/Style: 2.25" Exhaust Size: 2.25" Exhaust Components: 2.25" flex joint with one 2.00" crush bend radius, 18" straight-through resonator and dual-chamber muffler Intercooler Core Size: I dunno, its a 1st gen. Ford Probe turbo with 1.75" in/out; probably 12"x8"x2" Intake Manifold: Stock Headwork: Stock Engine Management: Megasquirt Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: Nothing Rear End Ratio: 4.3 Rear tire size: 205/50-15 FOURTH GEAR PULL: RPM PSI 1500 1.1 1700 1.3 2000 2.0 2200 2.6 2500 4.8 2700 9.4 3000 10.0 3500 10.1 5000 Clutch Slip 6000 Clutch Slip 6500 Clutch Slip 7000 Clutch Slip |
Nice. I was the last post and was never included. ::sniffle-sniffle::
Engine: '94 1.8L Turbo: two Garrett GT1548 Manifold: Shore Motorsports Absurdflow TT muhahaha Downpipe Size/Style: 2x 2.25" upper's blended into single 3" Exhaust Size: 3" Absurdflow Stainless Exhaust Components: 3" Magnaflow cat and 5x8x18 Magnaflow muffler Intercooler Core Size: 18"x12"x3" side entry tube/fin ebay special Intercooler Plumbing Size: 2.5" Stainless Intake Manifold: Custom rotated plentium for thru-fender I/C plumbing welded onto stock lower half of intake manifold Headwork: stock '94 Engine Management: AEM EMS Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: ? Trans & Rear End Ratio: '92 5-speed, 3.9 torsen Rear tire size: 205/45-16 FOURTH GEAR PULL: RPM Boost(psi) 2000 0.0 2200 1.0 2500 2.0 2750 3.0 2950 4.0 3050 5.0 3200 6.0 3325 7.0 3425 8.0 3525 9.0 3625 10.0 3750 11.0 3850 12.0 3950 13.0 4000 13.3 269rwhp @ that 13 psi |
Engine: '93 1.6L
Turbo: Mitsu small 16g Manifold: Bottom-mount mild steel Downpipe Size/Style: Single tube 3"" to 2.5" Exhaust Size: 2.25" Exhaust Components: Magnaflow 2.25" "high flow" ceramic cat, ebay cat-back with glass-pack and resonator Intercooler Core Size: 9"x7"x2.5" Intake Manifold: Stock Headwork: none Engine Management: Megasquirt PNP Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: MS controlled EBC, Fidanza flywheel FOURTH GEAR PULL: RPM Boost(psi) 2200 0 2300 1 2600 2 2850 3 3000 4 3200 5 3300 6 3500 7 3600 8 3700 9 |
Engine: '01 1.8L
Turbo: Precision SC61 Manifold: Tubular Downpipe Size/Style: 3" Exhaust Size: 3" Exhaust Components: 3" w/ catalytic converter Intercooler Core Size: 24"x8"x3.5" Intake Manifold: Stock Headwork: none Engine Management: Hydra Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: FM Base map w/no tuning FOURTH GEAR PULL: RPM Boost(psi) 2000 0.0 2250 0.3 2500 0.9 2750 1.2 3000 1.9 3250 2.8 3500 3.1 3750 4.4 4000 6.2 4250 7.4 4500 9.7 |
Engine: '00
Turbo: GT2554 Manifold: AVO Downpipe Size/Style: AVO cast ordinary Exhaust Size: 2.5" custom Exhaust Components: metal cat, resonator, large magnaflow muffler Intercooler Core Size: 9x16x3" AVO Intake Manifold: Stock VICS Headwork: DIY mild porting, deshrouding, blended bowl Engine Management: AEM Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: 8.4:1 Mazda pistons, standard bore FOURTH GEAR PULL: RPM Boost(psi) 1800 2.5 2000 4.7 2250 7 2500 9.2 |
Engine: '00
Turbo: GT2560 Manifold: ETD shorty, internal gate Downpipe Size/Style: BEGI custom divorced d/p Exhaust Size: 2.5" custom Exhaust Components: metal cat, resonator, large magnaflow muffler Intercooler Core Size: ~9x16x3" TDR i/c Intake Manifold: Stock VICS Headwork: DIY mild porting, deshrouding, blended bowl Engine Management: AEM Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: 8.4:1 Mazda pistons, standard bore; metal cat is half clogged. FOURTH GEAR PULL: RPM Boost(psi) 2000 2.5 2250 4.4 2500 6.1 2750 7.6 3000 10.2 |
here's a graph of several
http://forum.miata.net/vb/attachment...chmentid=71674 Description here: http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread...9&page=2&pp=25 |
Engine: unopened stock '90 2.0L FE-dohc
Turbo: Garrett t3/t4 stage 3 AR48, 50 trim AR60 Manifold: SS Autochrome BP top-mount mild stainless steel (modified flange to fit FE) Downpipe Size/Style: Single tube 3" Exhaust Size: 3" Exhaust Components: 300 cel metal cat, 18" louvered glass-pack and Raptor turbo-style muffler (quiet) Intercooler Core Size: 18"x12"x3" eBay bar/plate Intake Manifold: Top half 1.6 Miata, Bottom half Kia Sportage Headwork: none Engine Management: FM Miatalink 1.6 Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: Incomplete closed loop tune on Link EBC. Stock Mercedes internal wastegate w/helper spring. Still haven't dyno tuned the engine management...soon. Trans & Rear End Ratio: 5-speed, 4.1 open Rear tire size: 205/45-15 atmos: 98kpa FOURTH GEAR PULL: RPM Boost(psi)
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FIFTH gear data, same setup as my post #11:
2000 3 2250 5 2500 6.8 2750 8.6 2900 10 5th gear data about matches Paul's absurdflow data in the graph above, but doesn't beat PhilMD's. |
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Plot for those posted so far
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OK the new and improved graph is posted above. The xls file is attached to this post so if you want to change the plot or add your data, go for it.
Cueball's boost slope is nuts! Pipefathers is pretty steep too. It is also interesting that Brain and TurboTim took two completely different approaches and ended up with practically identical spool behavior. JasonC no offense but are you sure about your numbers? Our setups are pretty similar but yours is spooling 500 rpm sooner with a clogged cat? Of course the other factor here is efficiency and how that translates into power. It would be interesting to see a 3-D plot with power added as a third axis. |
I updated my log as well...I copied from an old thread just to start the thread, I had new data to share.
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I'll post Paul's to the best of my knowledge. He will let me know if I'm off here. The spool data is taken from the original thread.
Engine: '99 1.8L Turbo: Garrett GT2560R Manifold: Shore Motorsports Absurdflow Downpipe Size/Style: Bellmouth 3" Exhaust Size: 3" Absurdflow Stainless Exhaust Components: 3" Magnaflow metalcat and 4x12 Vibrant resonator Intercooler Core Size: 18"x12"x3" side entry bar/plate ebay special Intercooler Plumbing Size: 2.5" Stainless Intake Manifold: BEGI Headwork: stock '99 Engine Management: Megasquirt Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: ? Trans & Rear End Ratio: '94 5-speed, 3.9 torsen Rear tire size: ? FOURTH GEAR PULL: RPM Boost(psi) 1750rpm 0psi 2000rpm 2.9psi 2200rpm 4.6psi 2500rpm 6.5psi 2700rpm 8.5psi 3000rpm 11.6psi 3200rpm 14.0psi 301rwhp @ 14 psi |
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rear tire size at that time was 215/45/15.
That was when i was just learning how to use the EBC and my chart was as follows. The 2nd one is what I run now. I should go do a log just for the fuck of it. |
I'll chime in with my unsorted map:
Engine: '94 1.8L Turbo: Garrett GT2560R Manifold: BEGi Cast "Directed Pulse" Downpipe Size/Style: BEGI SGSS Exhaust Size: Unknown, larger than OEM Exhaust Components: OEM CAT Intercooler Core Size: BEGI #2 Intake Manifold: Stock Headwork: Sandblasted during rebuild Engine Management: Megasquirt MSPNP9495 HiRes Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: 8.6:1CR, EBC, AFR:Pig rich Trans & Rear End Ratio: 5-speed, 4.1 Open Rear tire size: 195/50R15 FOURTH GEAR PULL: RPM Boost(psi) 2105 0.4 2120 1.5 2314 3.5 2521 4.8 2745 5.9 2904 7.1 3009 7.8 3100 8.7 3226 9.9 3344 10.6 3405 10.9 3549 11.7 3667 12.8 3693 13.6 3717 14.1 3933 14.4 3992 14.8 |
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I updated the XLS and made this image.
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youre still using my old data. i hate you.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 315475)
youre still using my old data. i hate you.
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look at my first post and compare it to the data in the spreadsheet.
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Yea I know, I updated my post and played innocent. I see you did the same?!
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I changed closed loop spike suppression settings and pulled an entire 100rpm off my spool from 3500 - 4300 rpm (where I hit 17.1). But now I spike nearly 1 psi over my target. Worth it I suppose. Just need to fix the droop on the other side of the spike. If I can get a decent boost line I'll drop my muff for a straight pipe and do a log. PipeFather needs to post his spool with just the open downpipe!
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Originally Posted by m2cupcar
(Post 315486)
PipeFather needs to post his spool with just the open downpipe!
So yeah, I have no doubt that this would be the quickest spooling setup bar none when i have an exhaust that's worth a shit. |
Hey I don't think my T3 is doing too shabby, fits right in with an inefficient 2560 1.8L setup. headwork FTW.
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Pipefather have you got more spool data on the wrx td04 turbo ?
I am keen to see any other info on it - so far it seems that the td04 is very very under rated - your spool makes it seem awesome ! - please share any other data |
ARTIE'S
Engine: '95 bottom end with a '99 head 1.8L Turbo: GT2560R Manifold: AbsurdFlow ceramic coated Downpipe Size/Style: Bellmouthed 3" Exhaust Size: 3" Exhaust Components: 3" Magnaflow metalcat & Magnaflow Muffler 4x9x14 Intercooler Core Size: 18"x12"x3" ebay cooler Intercooler piping: 2 1/2" ebay aluminum shit Intake Manifold: stock 99 intake manifold with VICs disabled open Headwork: stock 99 head Engine Management: Megasquirt Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: Toyota COPs Trans & Rear End Ratio: 5-speed, 4.1 Torsen Rear tire size: 215/40-17 FOURTH GEAR PULL: RPM PSI 2091 3.91 2197 4.35 2307 4.78 2404 5.07 2506 5.5 2603 6.2 2713 7.6 2818 9.5 2920 11.6 3037 13.9 3123 16.9 3209 17.2 Just set up Artie's EBC today. We were shooting for max boost in the mid 14's. Had to crank the 3200 duty cycle column down because it was making 17.2 psi. It now hovers between 14.5 and 15.5 from 3200 to redline |
Originally Posted by 3barboost
(Post 315674)
Pipefather have you got more spool data on the wrx td04 turbo ?
I am keen to see any other info on it - so far it seems that the td04 is very very under rated - your spool makes it seem awesome ! - please share any other data If somebody could update the graphs, please, thank you: RPM Boost 1194 0.43 1287 1.00 1396 1.29 1529 1.29 1636 1.57 1694 1.43 1788 1.72 1893 1.72 2064 2.29 2109 2.72 2204 3.15 2336 3.72 2423 4.58 2541 5.15 2605 5.73 2763 7.44 2897 8.87 2976 10.94 3029 10.56 3087 10.38 3161 10.38 3238 9.84 3291 10.02 3332 10.74 3425 9.84 3483 10.20 3562 9.13 3647 9.13 3682 9.84 3709 10.56 3795 10.02 3837 10.20 3934 10.56 3957 9.84 |
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Updated.
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Engine: '99 1.8L
Turbo: Garrett T3 60 trim .48 turbine Manifold: BEGI cast seperate pulse Downpipe Size/Style: 2.5-3.0" with wastegate reintroduced Exhaust Size: 3" Enthuza Exhaust Components: 3" ANSA Muffler Intercooler Core Size: 18"x6"x3" side entry bar/plate spearco Intercooler Plumbing Size: 2.25" Stainless Intake Manifold: Stock Headwork: stock '99 Engine Management: Megasquirt Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: 3" intake with huge filter? Trans & Rear End Ratio: '99 5-speed, 4.30 Open Rear tire size: 205/50r15 FOURTH GEAR PULL: RPM Boost(psi) 2019rpm 0psi 2269rpm 1.3psi 2434rpm 2.0psi 2511rpm 2.6psi 2725rpm 4.5psi 3023rpm 7.7psi 3290rpm 12.1psi Running low boost due to spark blowout. It will spike to 14 once in a while if I give it hell at high RPM. |
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updated again.
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Yeah boy thats me right therrrr.
Once I get the COPs installed, hopefully this week, I will crank the boost and get some hardcore high boost figures for this bad bia. |
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but my turbo is like 3x the size :)
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But are you making 3X the power? :D
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Originally Posted by The_Pipefather
(Post 316187)
But are you making 3X the power? :D
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scott, on your chart, can you beef up the lines on the legend? they're teeny.
PS what time on friday? |
and technically my wheel compares to yours like this:
tdo4l-13T Turbine EX: 41.14mm IN: 47.24mm Compressor IN: 40.64mm EX: 56.01mm 420CFM / 265 HP Super 60 Turbine EX: 48.72mm IN: 58.9mm Compressor IN: 48mm EX: 60mm 500CFM / 315 HP y8s, I'll see what I can do about the legend. Noonish at Moore's automotive in Fairfax. |
are you posting specs for all turbos listed in the spool chart? ;)
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Posting this too because jesus I want a VVT head :eek5:
user PhilMD at m.net Engine: '01 longblock, Weisco 9:1 +1mm pistons Turbo: GT2560R Manifold: AVO Downpipe Size/Style: AVO, unknown size Headwork: unknown, VVT head Engine Management: MoTeC Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: VVT, VVT, and...vvt. Transmission 6-speed FIFTH GEAR PULL: RPM Boost(psi) 2500rpm - 7.9psi 2750rpm - 11.1psi 3000rpm - 14.2psi 3250rpm - 16.2psi 3500rpm - 16.6psi |
Updated- 5th gear freeway pull from low rpm. Much better example.
Engine: '94 1/8L Turbo: GT2860rs Manifold: BEGi S4 stainless tubular Downpipe Size/Style: BEGI divorced Exhaust Size: 2.5"Exhaust Components: Magnaflow Muffler, metal cat Intercooler Core Size: 18"x8"x3" Intake Manifold: Stock Headwork: none Engine Management: Megasquirt Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: Toyota COPs, lead foot, 5th GEAR PULL: RPM Boost(psi) 5th gear pull VS. 4th gear pull (avg of 3 pulls) 1925 = 1psi = 1863 1985 = 2psi = 2060 2115 = 3psi = 2225 2335= 4psi = 2456 2460 = 5psi = 2549 2628= 6psi = 2733 2735= 7psi = 2880 2790= 8psi = 2990 2880= 9psi = 3090 2960= 10psi = 3190 3061= 11ps = 3250 3135= 12psi NA (no overboost) 3260= 13psi NA (no overboost) OK, my 1st one sucked. It was taken from a track day in a low gear, revs never dropped low enough. Here is a log from a 5th gear pull on the freeway this morning from 1900 rpms. Much better! Please correct my shameful 1st one on the xls chart! :bowrofl: |
If I had any idea how to make or modify that chart I would do it myself. Sucks to be older with little knowledge of xls basics.
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i have office 2007 at home which makes the chart look pretty and sharp. looks like ass off the older verison.
anyways, clearly see 5 groupings: The super spoolers. The 2554 and 2560s. The T3s. The large trims. And the super large trims. interesting to see how my boost build compared to chad with same turbo manifold and exhaust. looks like my headwork may help me below 3K, despite my 200cc less. granted I'm still making 200cc less power :( |
gimme the dataz.
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I plotted Cueball's data cause I am at home sick today and freaking bored. I cannot repost the new graph since I am using Open Office and a lot of the Excel formatting is lost in translation.
But, Cueball's spool is right in there with the 2560 plots. Very nice! The only thing I can see in his setup to explain this is the S4 manifold. If that is the case, then it seems like a 2860 with an S4 could be a good choice for the street since it still spools nicely and should be a bit more efficient than the 2560. |
Wow, I was gonna say, cueball's data looks close to mine, and THEN I realized it's a GT2860 on an NA 1.8 head. Damn!!!!
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I made my own. includes cueball's latest. and some dude named PhilMD.
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scale it from 0-15psi and 1750-4100RPM.
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Thanks guys! That plot was on my freeway commute this morning. Got out ahead of traffic, dropped to 1500rpms in 5th and floored it. Overboosted to 13psi until the EBC kicked in and dropped back. Let off then. 2.5" enthuza with race cat. Corky talked me out of the 2560 in favor of the 2860 on my system. Now I know why.
All those super-charger guys talking about instant spool and flat torque can kiss my lily white behind. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 316512)
scale it from 0-15psi and 1750-4100RPM.
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how about grouping into 3 or 4 categories- of course the 1.6's have to be kept in a separate graph ;)
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Originally Posted by cueball1
(Post 316517)
Thanks guys! That plot was on my freeway commute this morning. Got out ahead of traffic, dropped to 1500rpms in 5th and floored it. Overboosted to 13psi until the EBC kicked in and dropped back. Let off then. 2.5" enthuza with race cat.
Or a feline with racing stripes? (LOL I shaved one of my long-haired cats once because I was tired of his shedding, and started with racing stripes) |
Note to self:
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If you did that, Tim would just remove one of his turbos and spank everybody. ;) And yes, I think it was mentioned to make pulls/data 1:1. So cueball, you need to do a fourth gear run for relative placement in the data.
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cueball's line is making my pants tight...in the bad place. That turbo with 120cc more, the 99-head, and ebc should get the job done.
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i better be making +260rwhp at 15 pounds on friday.
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Engine: '91 1.6L
Turbo: G15 Manifold: Greddy Downpipe Size/Style: Turbotony Exhaust Size: 2.5"Exhaust Components: Custom 3" cat back, turbo tony cat Intercooler Core Size: Starion Intake Manifold: Stock Headwork: none Engine Management: Megasquirt Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: 4500ft-5500ft. elevation, mild built motor, fidanza flywheel act 6 puck, spring and ball MBC. 4th GEAR PULL: RPM Boost(psi) 2926= 3.3psi 2985= 3.8psi 3111= 5.3psi 3384= 7.2psi 3445= 8psi 3471= 8.8psi 3562= 10.8psi 3628= 11.8psi 3671= 12.8psi 3775= 14.3psi 4003= 15psi I based the psi numbers by subtracting an assumed 1 atmosphere of 12.46 from my map values. This isn't entirely accurate because the altitude of my city changes so much depending on what part of town you are in and I didn't want to break out the GPS. I estimated on the low side of 4500ft. http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ai...ure-d_462.html |
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