My custom turbo kit
11-20-2018, 06:13 AM
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Paraphrasing A. Graham Bell and books but "Engines require back pressure to make the most power but turbochargers are the restriction so everything after should not be restrictive".
There are various niggles that fly in the face of this paraphrased rule (like going too large, a supercharged system or ram air NA system) but its broadly accurate.
Welding looks good but casting is very much king due to its longevity. Welded manifolds simply don't survive endurance track torture testing well enough. Hence MKTurbo, Kraken, TSE doing that.
TurboTim is the daddy for surviving welding stuff but I do not know of any one by him that has been tracked to the destructive forces Emilio provides. This is not to say this hasn't happened though I literally do not know of one that is all.
Then you haven't been paying attention. Log manifolds, retaining gear, manifold cuts, manifold material, manifold treatments have all been thoroughly worked through to survive the sort of treatment the high power full track racing gives. AutoX is simply not hard enough for long enough to truly test them. Sav, Emilio, ThePass, Shuiend and many others have created and then very destructively tested their creations to give us all data on what not to do.
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11-20-2018, 08:33 AM
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Savington has been working on his IC setup for 1.5 to 2 years now. I completely understand why it is taking him so long and can guess at the troubles he is having. If it is taking a company that specializes in NA/NB miata's that long then there may be a reason for it.
We are not saying the OP made a bad manifold or turbo setup. What we are saying is taking it from a one time setup, to something that is repeatable and sellable at a price point that fits in the miata market place is going to be very hard to do. With the skills OP has he needs to pick a different platform that he can market and sell high end ramhorn manifolds to. The miata market is just full of cheap asses who don't want to pay those prices. The ones who will pay those prices, know what they want, know the market, and know that the TSE cast manifold is the only thing on the market that has been proven to stand up to the abuses required.
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11-20-2018, 10:01 AM
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You are choosing about the worst time to get into the miata turbo market. There has been more R&D and new products coming out for the NA/NB in the last 5 years then I would say the previous 15 to 20. There has never been this much abundance in choice already on the market. If you would have popped up in 2011/2012 when Absurdflow was winding down and the TSE manifold was not out, you could have hit a niche in the market. That boat has sort of sailed at this point though.
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11-20-2018, 12:14 PM
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I can design the new manifold to fit an EFR as well as the basic T25/28 turbo's. in fact I could probably offer a t3 option if that's what the people want. as far as durability is concerned, that's still untested, anything i have made hasn't been run for longer than a year. I can say with confidence that I am a good welder its been my career for almost 10 years now and I'm starting to get good. All the manifolds I've made are SCH10 304 everything is argon purged and welded with full penetration. Here is the most recent one I've made, its for my buddys big turbo 1.8t VW, i'm pretty proud of it
I didn't mean to talk down on your quality of work necessarily, but rather that that style of manifold doesn't hold up on these cars.
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11-20-2018, 05:50 PM
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With the quality it looks like you can produce you need to be on a more expensive platform. One where the clientele are not cheap asses. You could do very well I think if you can find a car where the owners can afford to pay for what your time is worth. That is where I think your major issue will be. Get on the GTR or Porshe bandwagon where the owners have no issue paying for the quality you can provide.
You are choosing about the worst time to get into the miata turbo market. There has been more R&D and new products coming out for the NA/NB in the last 5 years then I would say the previous 15 to 20. There has never been this much abundance in choice already on the market. If you would have popped up in 2011/2012 when Absurdflow was winding down and the TSE manifold was not out, you could have hit a niche in the market. That boat has sort of sailed at this point though.
You are choosing about the worst time to get into the miata turbo market. There has been more R&D and new products coming out for the NA/NB in the last 5 years then I would say the previous 15 to 20. There has never been this much abundance in choice already on the market. If you would have popped up in 2011/2012 when Absurdflow was winding down and the TSE manifold was not out, you could have hit a niche in the market. That boat has sort of sailed at this point though.
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11-20-2018, 05:58 PM
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