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Originally Posted by 18psi
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feedback: you're an idiot.
I always knew you were one, and gave you another chance cause I thought there was hope. Nope. So much for this thread. |
Your right, you have exhausted ALL avenues of NA power.
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Originally Posted by jcmusmc00
(Post 1213693)
FINALLY.... Dam Ive been following this thread just for this... thank you 18psi;)
Originally Posted by ryansmoneypit
(Post 1213694)
Your right, you have exhausted ALL avenues of NA power.
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I knew, sooner than later, the " How to trubo for 500bucks redneck style" would be the beam of light for someone.
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Originally Posted by Hinano
(Post 1213697)
What's the last great thing you have contributed to your local community? When you die, you are going to think about your life. You will ponder about lifes purpose. You will think about what are most important. Your conclusion will be mostly that you would like to have spent more time with friends, family and your loved ones. Treat people with kindness and you will be set free.
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Originally Posted by jcmusmc00
(Post 1213702)
Last time I checked this isn't Sunday Church school....Im full of kindness too, I just have a low tolerance for stupidity! :vash::fawk::fael::vash2:
I say try to treat everyone like you would your own mother. But what do I know, I guess I'm just an idiot that deserves to be treated like shit because of the way I make my car part decision :jerkit: |
Dead thread. Unsusbscribed.
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The butthurt is becoming strong with this one.
I has a sad because he's a nice kid. I don't think he's stupid. Just a little naive. Dude. Please. Listen. The flaming will continue. bear it. take it like a man. Bite a rope and grin. Once you get past that, just install your MSpro and learn. You've got your turbo bits. take a year to finish gathering the stuff you need, and install it next year. Resist the butthurt. Or you can ragequit. Up to you. |
Haha thanks that was funny. :)
I'm not mad, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to fight back against bullies. I fight em all day in all my community organizing and student union work. I'm always fighting for the little guy. I ain't quitting though. :)
Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1213594)
For how much.
Originally Posted by turbofan
(Post 1213601)
FWIW, Aidan did build his, but he has a high tolerance for experimenting, and is smarter than the average dope in terms of figuring out electrical bits. Recommending to everyone that they build their own MS and quoting prices really is only valid if someone does not place a value on their time.
For folks that DO place a value on their time, and the benefit of a guarantee and customer service and stuff, it's well worth the money of buying a nice, new, professionally-assembled one. Hinano, an MS2e would have fit your needs, but at this point you have the Pro so you might as well run it. By the time you sell it and ship it you've eaten up half the difference and it's not worth it. The first part of your plan is sound -- put the MS on NA and tune it over the summer. It's the second part that needs work. While you're putting it together, get some injectors and a cheap intercooler setup, like the one Deezums found. There's info about it in his thread. You also don't need to buy expensive injectors. Here's some more info on PNP injectors: Fuel Injectors - Miata Turbo FAQ Do you have anyone nearby who can help you with the MS? Focus on that, as you plan to, NA, then worry about the injectors and intercooler later. You'll come around.
Originally Posted by turbofan
(Post 1213715)
The butthurt is becoming strong with this one.
I has a sad because he's a nice kid. I don't think he's stupid. Just a little naive. Dude. Please. Listen. The flaming will continue. bear it. take it like a man. Bite a rope and grin. Once you get past that, just install your MSpro and learn. You've got your turbo bits. take a year to finish gathering the stuff you need, and install it next year. Resist the butthurt. Or you can ragequit. Up to you. |
Bullies are people that want to hurt you, not help you.
Ignorance is not being able to distinguish between the two. |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1213742)
Bullies are people that want to hurt you, not help you.
Ignorance is not being able to distinguish between the two. Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power. Behaviors used to assert such domination can include verbal harassment or threat, physical assault or coercion, and such acts may be directed repeatedly towards particular targets. Rationalizations for such behavior sometimes include differences of social class, race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, appearance, behavior, body language, personality, reputation, lineage, strength, size or ability.[1][2] If bullying is done by a group, it is called mobbing.[3] I'm not mad AT you bore being a bully, but don't get it mixed up, what yall doing is bullying. But it's a free country and I can protest your antisocial abusive behavior. |
It's not bullying. ;) It's shaming you into making the correct choices for a reliable car and making you feel bad when ignoring the suggestions. The things usually being recommended are things that have been proven on this forum and many others. Parts are recommended because they work, not because they want to see you ruin a car. In the long run, buying poverty parts could cost you a lot more when they either fail, wear out prematurely, or disappoint you with their performance. If you want to listen, people will be kinder to you here. If you want to ask questions, receive good advice, and then do the opposite; prepare to have your ass hurt.
Buy once, cry once. If you can't afford it because the money isn't there yet, wait a bit. 160hp is a fine goal, low by the standards of the forum here, but fine. Just do it right, don't buy poverty shit, and keep it from looking like a clusterfucky piece of shit. |
Originally Posted by Hinano
(Post 1213803)
Who u kiddin dude lol. From wiki
Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power. Behaviors used to assert such domination can include verbal harassment or threat, physical assault or coercion, and such acts may be directed repeatedly towards particular targets. Rationalizations for such behavior sometimes include differences of social class, race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, appearance, behavior, body language, personality, reputation, lineage, strength, size or ability.[1][2] If bullying is done by a group, it is called mobbing.[3] I'm not mad AT you bore being a bully, but don't get it mixed up, what yall doing is bullying. But it's a free country and I can protest your antisocial abusive behavior. When your dog shits on your carpet, do you reward it? |
Well, I tried.
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I didnt shit on anyone's carpet. And public shaming for what? Lol. I didn't fucking break the law and nothing I did so far here calls for"public shaming". Stop with the bullshit, Yall are just acting like assholes. So what if I'm buying cheap parts, I get to tinker and check it out. It's part of my creative process. I didn't ask for advice on every aspect of my project and if someone wants to give advice, well sure I'll read it, but that doesn't change how one gives advice. Here in Hawaii, it's called Aloha. It means a lot of things but in this context, it means treat people with kindness. You want to be a good man?! BE KIND. that's my advice to a couple of you.
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They really are trying to help you, but if your keep contradicting yourself and continue being an "ask-hole" this is what happens.
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Ryu.
Nobody is asking for your advice, sir. You came here for our advice. You are not the first N00B to come in and try to make assholes stop being assholes. It doesn't work, which is why I told you not to try. But just as with other advice, you're still not listening. In for ragequit. |
Originally Posted by Hinano
(Post 1213903)
I didnt shit on anyone's carpet. And public shaming for what? Lol. I didn't fucking break the law and nothing I did so far here calls for"public shaming". Stop with the bullshit, Yall are just acting like assholes. So what if I'm buying cheap parts, I get to tinker and check it out. It's part of my creative process. I didn't ask for advice on every aspect of my project and if someone wants to give advice, well sure I'll read it, but that doesn't change how one gives advice. Here in Hawaii, it's called Aloha. It means a lot of things but in this context, it means treat people with kindness. You want to be a good man?! BE KIND. that's my advice to a couple of you.
That doesn't make US assholes, it makes the person who asks for input then just ignores it because reasons the asshole. |
I just reread my posts in this thread because I don't particularly remember refusing advice aside from intercooler and injectors. In fact, I did buy a intercooler, and I have also taken the advice of considering to buy injectors, BUT, stock ones still could work so I want to atleast try it out. Regarding my first post, I actually asked if I should get a ms3, but no one said ms2 would be sufficient. I asked about shaft play with video, no advice. I asked about other stuff, and got advice, then I asked about the down pipe and no advice. The only thing we seem to be disagreeing with is ms3 is worth it, FOR ME. Yeah I don't want to blow my motor, but then why the hell are so many people not running ms and are perfectly happy? This is my only car and I have a moped so I can get around but I'm doing the best I can do, at the budget I have. If anyone is saying just wait to save money, well I don't want to wait for over half a year so maybe that is what makes me foolish. But even then, I still would insult people like Yall are doing. I feel bad for all the noobs u guys attack. It's sad that it's an encouraged culture here.
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Originally Posted by Hinano
(Post 1213903)
I didnt shit on anyone's carpet. And public shaming for what? Lol. I didn't fucking break the law and nothing I did so far here calls for"public shaming". Stop with the bullshit, Yall are just acting like assholes. So what if I'm buying cheap parts, I get to tinker and check it out. It's part of my creative process. I didn't ask for advice on every aspect of my project and if someone wants to give advice, well sure I'll read it, but that doesn't change how one gives advice. Here in Hawaii, it's called Aloha. It means a lot of things but in this context, it means treat people with kindness. You want to be a good man?! BE KIND. that's my advice to a couple of you.
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spending too much time trying to change the culture and not enough time installing MSPro.
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No bites on ms3, waiting for wideband, considering to just run it. More cheap upgrades to come that people gonna hate me for lol.
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This site Is home of the fastest miata's, some of the best drivers and the most proven advice.
For years and years they have dealt with Noobs being noobs, over and over and over. I too am guilty of not researching before asking, buying wrong parts and trying to stop people from being assholes. Good luck. Repetitive noobism causes them to act this way. Don't put yourself in that position, and you won't have to defend lame choices. |
Just as a reminder: Everyone told you not to turbo your car, because you were going to make bad decisions.
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OP, :facepalm:
Honestly for your low hp goals you could of just done on a stock MSM turbo. (of which you may have been able to source here for cheap) You have a wealth of knowledge here being offered here :hustler: YOU ARE RUSHING YOUR BUILD. You will fail, and your motor will pop :crx: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1426098527 Edit*
Originally Posted by http://forum.miata.net/vb/showpost.php?p=7375833&postcount=42
1) I don't consider 4-7k rpm mid range. I don't just devide my tach. My daily driving consists of needing up to around 3k sometimes high 3k's rpm and that's what I consider midrange. To me 4-7 is topend. That is the rpm range I am in ONLY when I'm wringing it out.
Use & learn the MS3 you spent 1200 on to wring out any last drop of power before thinking you should go turbo. Heck, go check out 'na race builds' here and see if your tune changes. This forum is not a stance fest video. No dubstep music is playing here with unlimited pan/blur shots. If you seriously take the time to learn the MS on your NA vehicle, your future turbo setup will be much more rewarding and reliable :bigtu: |
I'm confused. You already bought it. Why the hell wouldn't you use it? It's in your possession. It's paid for. Sure, it may be a little overkill for your goal, but goals change. You're content with the idea of 160hp. I was too, for about a week. Maybe 2 weeks. Boost is like crack, and you're kidding yourself if you think you'll be able to stay at 160 when it's so incredibly easy to push it further.
Quit rage-facing, read between the lines, and heed what recommendations others have. You're not unique in this. Learn from others mistakes. It's a hard lesson, and there will be very little punch pulling because we know that doesn't work. |
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I see my constructive criticism has made a positive impact.:bigtu:
If the MSP doesn't sell by the time I get my wideband this week I'll be running it. :bigtu: Yippy! :noes: Definitely worth $100 to my door! :D You see, I don't cheap out on everything! I'm really happy I didn't buy that $5 cracked ISIS elbow and try to repair it :rofl: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1426111869 |
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Take their advice, ignore the flaming. Its the best way I have found to "get along" around here, I didn't have a smooth start either.
Elbow looks good! In for progress updates. I have been searching for an HKS manifold for awhile now but damn they seem so hard to find. GL! |
Originally Posted by NBoost
(Post 1214307)
Take their advice, ignore the flaming. Its the best way I have found to "get along" around here, I didn't have a smooth start either.
Elbow looks good! In for progress updates. I have been searching for an HKS manifold for awhile now but damn they seem so hard to find. GL! |
I'll be pressure testing the intercooler and bov soon.
BOV&pipe - $25 Audi A4 intercooler - $20 LC1 wideband - $100 |
Ive read that the cruise control vacuum source can be noisy. I'd look into potentially changing that. The most common suggestion is to tee off the fpr line.
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Oh okay thanks for the tip.
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Also that sensor is probably an air temp sensor.
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Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1215035)
Also that sensor is probably an air temp sensor.
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Part number says your right. Probably not at all. Using the built in MAP sensor on the MS is fine for 90% of Miata users.
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Gotta think about piping. I am thinking maybe I'll do a over the radiator set up. I got lucky and a local autocross racer friend (who is building a Factory 5 818!) said he would trade his aluminum radiator for my A/C compressor that I've offered for free! :D I was thinking I would do the radiator tilt method.
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For fun!
Here is one to two local racer friends building a Factory 5 818. :D Things are going to be NUTS! :D https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1426392008 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1426392008 |
Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1215031)
The most common suggestion is to tee off the fpr line.
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Ahh didn't notice that. Maybe not.
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Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1215102)
Ahh didn't notice that. Maybe not.
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Originally Posted by bahurd
(Post 1215107)
I source mine at the fitting right behind the throttle body. 2000
2000 NB1 Here is my seat leg rubber cap mod. LOL :rofl: All I did was poke a hole in the middle, cut it in half with scissors, cut in a "grove" so the sheet metal will have a edge to grab, then jam it in. :) This fits perfectly for a temporary AC line plug on the firewall if anyone was wondering. :D https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1426465441 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1426465441 I zip tied the wideband wire https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1426465441 I'm actually not set on how I want to wire this stuff. Behind the seat might not be the best place. Just trying it out for now but I'm having wiring issues anyways. :( |
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Go for the butt splice record IMO.
edit: why the fuck are you running the wideband through the firewall instead of the shifter? |
Won't work well. Cranking the fuel pressure on NB injectors apparently works for really low boost. But no point at all if you already have a MS. Just buy some RX8 injectors or something.
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Originally Posted by albumleaf
(Post 1215240)
Go for the butt splice record IMO.
edit: why the fuck are you running the wideband through the firewall instead of the shifter? Yeah through the shifter sounds like a great idea! It's at the transmission tunnel hole where the stock second O2 sensor was.
Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1215241)
Won't work well. Cranking the fuel pressure on NB injectors apparently works for really low boost. But no point at all if you already have a MS. Just buy some RX8 injectors or something.
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Blowing up an engine because of a lean condition is a lot more expensive than injectors...
$1200: 01 02 Mazda MX 5 Miata Engine Motor Long Block USDM | eBay |
Im under the impression that my stock 265's will handle 7psi. But I'll start with 3psi just in case :D
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Your turbo won't run 3psi. Normally sr20 turbo wastegate pressure is like 8psi.
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Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1215251)
Your turbo won't run 3psi. Normally sr20 turbo wastegate pressure is like 8psi.
Stock is 7 but yeah, I'm reading that I'll be fine. If you know of any threads that prove otherwise, I would really like to see them. |
Based on a statement made in this thread sr20 turbos are good for about 10whp per psi. Stock VVT engine is 142hp. So 7psi * 10 + 142hp = 212. But since you don't have the best flowing stuff lets say a round 200.
Calculate the required cc of injectors needed (from the wiki): 200 x .55 / 4 x .8 = 110 / 3.2 = 34.4 lb/hr x 10.5 = 360cc So you need 360cc injectors. Stock NB2 injectors are 265cc at 60psi (Because you aren't using an Adjustable FPR, just don't) so: 60 / 43.5 = 1.379 sqrt of 1.379 = 1.174 1.174 x 265cc = 311cc So without any fuel management you are about 49cc's short... These are pretty common on the islands right? http://www.canibeat.com/wp-content/u...a_Ruckus_8.jpg Yeah, you're one of those short. |
Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1215256)
Based on a statement made in this thread sr20 turbos are good for about 10whp per psi. Stock VVT engine is 142hp. So 7psi * 10 + 142hp = 212. But since you don't have the best flowing stuff lets say a round 200.
Calculate the required cc of injectors needed (from the wiki): 200 x .55 / 4 x .8 = 110 / 3.2 = 34.4 lb/hr x 10.5 = 360cc So you need 360cc injectors. Stock NB2 injectors are 265cc. So without any fuel management you are about 105cc's short... Maybe I do need injectors.. |
Post above edited for NB 60psi fuel pressure.
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Not sure what to say because I don't fully understand all those numbers yet but the mazdaspeed Miata has the same injectors as the nb2's and correct me if I'm wrong but they run like 7psi stock no?
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Stock MSM is rated for 178hp. FM tested it and found that it was at 5psi.
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Wow I never knew that. But both fm and begi say stock injectors are maxed out at around 200 whp.. And thanks for all you input btw.
Fm seems to have also done a follow up reporting errors or something? I don't know, I'm reading on my phone and it's confusing but I'll have to investigate. |
I'm out. Just realize that running out of fuel is what blows shit up. Leaning out causes detonation, which breaks things. The last thing you want to do is spend 2k on a rebuild, which is 10 times more than injectors.
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Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1215256)
So without any fuel management you are about 49cc's short... These are pretty common on the islands right? http://www.canibeat.com/wp-content/u...a_Ruckus_8.jpg Yeah, you're one of those short. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1426492132 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1426492132 Its my 49cc Yamaha Razz https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1426492132 |
Originally Posted by Hinano
(Post 1215277)
Not sure what to say because I don't fully understand all those numbers yet but the mazdaspeed Miata has the same injectors as the nb2's and correct me if I'm wrong but they run like 7psi stock no?
Be patient and read/learn more, first. Rather than blow stuff up, first. |
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