Starion FMIC Efficiency
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What Im actually going to be doing with the starion IC is comparing IC intake and outlet temps for it, a saab one I have, and the audi IC i have that Im currently running side by side with a civic rad. Ill also be trying to see what the preasure loss is though the IC with hooking up the wastegate before it and a boost gauge after it(external wastegate makes this trickier than it sounds for me. My turbo doesnt have a intake point for the wg)
Are you saying you're going to hook up your boost gauge pre-intercooler, test it. Then, hook up boost gauge post-intercooler and test, then compare?
The pressure loss would also vary depending on setups. Someone running 6psi is going to get different loss than running 12psi on the same setup, so a blanket number is not really possible. Still, I'd love to see any testing done
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I made 217whp and 227ft/lb on 13psi with a Starion IC. I think the better intercooler is worth about 10-15whp
The lower pressure drop will account for a lot because not only is it spooling quicker but you arent working the compressor as hard either to maintain boost.
The Starion was enough for me to run a 12.2 @ 117 but I needed to move on since Im looking for 350whp. If I had to guess I would say the Starion IC is good up to about 250whp, after that its getting pushed past its design limits.
The lower pressure drop will account for a lot because not only is it spooling quicker but you arent working the compressor as hard either to maintain boost.
The Starion was enough for me to run a 12.2 @ 117 but I needed to move on since Im looking for 350whp. If I had to guess I would say the Starion IC is good up to about 250whp, after that its getting pushed past its design limits.
First, "the better design I/C worth 10-15whp," was this at the same power level? 10-15whp over 217whp? I'll be shooting for 180whp, but of course I'd love to get as much as possible. With the numbers you've achieved I'm going to stop thinking about it. And anyway, it's impossible to predict what part of my setup will be the limiting factor until I actually get there.
I hear you on the compresser not working as hard (thus lower charge temps) but my turbo being "rated" at 36 lb/min would it really make a discernable difference?
Thanks for your help..
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Andy, this is great real-world information. Thanks for sharing.
First, "the better design I/C worth 10-15whp," was this at the same power level? 10-15whp over 217whp? I'll be shooting for 180whp, but of course I'd love to get as much as possible. With the numbers you've achieved I'm going to stop thinking about it. And anyway, it's impossible to predict what part of my setup will be the limiting factor until I actually get there.
I hear you on the compresser not working as hard (thus lower charge temps) but my turbo being "rated" at 36 lb/min would it really make a discernable difference?
Thanks for your help..
First, "the better design I/C worth 10-15whp," was this at the same power level? 10-15whp over 217whp? I'll be shooting for 180whp, but of course I'd love to get as much as possible. With the numbers you've achieved I'm going to stop thinking about it. And anyway, it's impossible to predict what part of my setup will be the limiting factor until I actually get there.
I hear you on the compresser not working as hard (thus lower charge temps) but my turbo being "rated" at 36 lb/min would it really make a discernable difference?
Thanks for your help..
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