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Old 07-11-2011, 02:16 AM   #21
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Inconel just isnt in the budget right now, and I dont really track this car, just autox and mountain carving once a year. I dont think I'm serious enough for inco yet.
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My turbo-manifold 10mm bolts broke when I was 4-hours from home. They broke when I wasn't at the track, just cruising. I know it's not cheap, but it's probably the same price as a tow home.
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I must have a good manifold design, or magic bolts. 8mm, ACE hardware $.60 SS allen bolts, they all stay fairly tight. I replace them every couple track days, but that's more preventative than anything. My turbo sits on top of the manifold though, horrible for heat shielding, down pipe flow, down pipe routing, and looks, but apparently easy on bolts.
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Old 07-11-2011, 09:44 AM   #23
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My turbo-manifold 10mm bolts broke when I was 4-hours from home. They broke when I wasn't at the track, just cruising. I know it's not cheap, but it's probably the same price as a tow home.
You almost have me sold, but part of the issue is the top set are through holes. To upsize to 10mm I'd likely have to do some fairly heavy dremeling as well.

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I must have a good manifold design, or magic bolts. 8mm, ACE hardware $.60 SS allen bolts, they all stay fairly tight. I replace them every couple track days, but that's more preventative than anything. My turbo sits on top of the manifold though, horrible for heat shielding, down pipe flow, down pipe routing, and looks, but apparently easy on bolts.
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I think the Stainless Steel 308(??) type studs are a sol'n that's halfway effective between ordinary studs and the $$ Inconel studs.
They're the same material used on boilers - there's an ASME standard alloy for them, and yes they have better high temp creep and CTE characteristics than the ordinary studs.
Thanks for the info. Looking at 8-18 stuff from mcmaster right now.
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some data, plan steel is not on here, but the curve is likly similar to the high alloy just shifted down in the y-axis.

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I believe "we" tried that metal at the advice of TiAL on the CHRA and it did not work.
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I believe one of the euro track guys had good luck by having the nuts welded to the manifold. I believe he (Doppelganger?) made some pretty informative posts on what he did and how well it worked. I'm too lazy to search for you but the info should be out there. Seems cheaper than inconel parts...
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I bought 8-18 stainless with those nordlock things from mcmaster. I'll re-torque when hot and see how it goes.
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I believe one of the euro track guys had good luck by having the nuts welded to the manifold. I believe he (Doppelganger?) made some pretty informative posts on what he did and how well it worked. I'm too lazy to search for you but the info should be out there. Seems cheaper than inconel parts...
Inconel safety wire works like this and allows for disassembly afterwards. My bolts are drilled and safety wired.
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316 SS is better than 304 SS, but looks like 304 is still better than ordinary stud material.

Here's my posts with info:

https://www.miataturbo.net/showpost....&postcount=691

https://www.miataturbo.net/showpost....&postcount=729

https://www.miataturbo.net/showpost....&postcount=692
(both 304 and 316 are used for hi temp fasteners, aka "B8" and "B8M")
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316 SS is better than 304 SS, but looks like 304 is still better than ordinary stud material.

Here's my posts with info:

https://www.miataturbo.net/showpost....&postcount=691

https://www.miataturbo.net/showpost....&postcount=729

https://www.miataturbo.net/showpost....&postcount=692
(both 304 and 316 are used for hi temp fasteners, aka "B8" and "B8M")
cool, thanks for the info. I also found out the 8-18 stainless is more or less 304 for our purposes; 304 has a few other metals that help corrosion resistance.
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I believe one of the euro track guys had good luck by having the nuts welded to the manifold. I believe he (Doppelganger?) made some pretty informative posts on what he did and how well it worked. I'm too lazy to search for you but the info should be out there. Seems cheaper than inconel parts...
It definitely wasn't Doppelganger....can't remember what the guys SN is.
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