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Old 08-30-2006, 08:08 PM   #1
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Default What Is the best wideband controller for money spent?

Im looking into buying a wide-band/gauge combo from innovative motorsports, but what other wide-bands out there give you a nice bang for the buck??
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The AEM wideband/gauge combo is a great deal I think.
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I like the gauge that comes with the AEM and for the price it's exactly what I just spent on a lc-1 and autometer narrowband gauge. I wasn't sure of the datalogging capabilities and if the customer service is as good as innovative so I went that route.
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I think your best bang is buying the LC-1, narrowband gauge and SSI-4. A very capable setup that can log 5 inputs and is expandable to an absurd level. All this for under $400.
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What about the Zeitronix? How do they compare to inovative? Bang for buck?
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Really impressed with my LC-1, well made bit of kit easy to use, only issue i've had is with the heater earth, you need a really strong earthing point, i've earthed mine to the engine earthing strap.

Waiting for my XD-16 to turn up so i can use the unit fully
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I have the LC-1 as well and like it alot. As long as I can get it to work with the emanage alpha tool, I'll be very happy. I've only heard good things about the calibration as I think it may be one of the few WB (if not the only one) that does this. The NB sim is very useful as well.

BUT, I must admit that the Zeitronix unit is very nice for tuning as it has inputs for EGT, boost sensor, and one user input so you can map everything against rpm. The way I've seen it used it a fuel pressure sensor mapped to the user input so on one screen/log, you can see AFR, EGT, boost, and fuel pressure all mapped vs. rpm in a very nice graphical display. It looks very nice as a tuning tool. Again, I don't own one, but they also added a new alarm add-on that is programmable to alert you if one variable has crossed a threshold value that you set so say if you set the egt alarm to 1600, it'll light up a red led and make a alert sound so you don't always have to be looking at the readout.
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I think your best bang is buying the LC-1, narrowband gauge and SSI-4. A very capable setup that can log 5 inputs and is expandable to an absurd level. All this for under $400.
+1.

Innovate is a little bit more $, but an awesome, reliable product.

AEM also make one too. Found it on the Summit Racing website.
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I like the Zeitronix, but not as much as I did originally. The logging is real nice, but a few things cropped up along the way.

1. Their simulated NB is not true to a narrowband in that it doesn't go to the extreme ends of the scale(where I would use it for Autotune).

2. The EGT probe is a cheapy, and when I wanted to replace it when it died after one year, they wanted to sell me the whole harness. Got another, better, for half price on Ebay.
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I have a question, on another forum i am on a guy is selling this:

This is the Innovate LC-1/LM-1 Turbo 1.8 VW Beetle 5-wire WB O2 sensor.
...brand new in the box,never opened, $55 shipped.

And I have an autometer NB A/F guage. Can I use this to have the A/F readout on the NB guage (i know it will not have the digital numbers) and then be able to hook it up to my laptop to check the other stuf, or how does it work? basically since he is selling that, what else will I need and will it work. or should I just buy the AEM one
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I would bet that is just the sensor only, you will also need the lambda cable (the expensive part). You can use the lambda cable to simulate a narrow band signal to your ECU and to your narrow band a/f guage. You can get the digital readouts on your laptop.
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I have a question, on another forum i am on a guy is selling this:

This is the Innovate LC-1/LM-1 Turbo 1.8 VW Beetle 5-wire WB O2 sensor.
...brand new in the box,never opened, $55 shipped.

And I have an autometer NB A/F guage. Can I use this to have the A/F readout on the NB guage (i know it will not have the digital numbers) and then be able to hook it up to my laptop to check the other stuf, or how does it work? basically since he is selling that, what else will I need and will it work. or should I just buy the AEM one

He's only selling the WBo2, not the lamba cable. But you can use the Lamba cable, which reads the WBo2, and output to a NB guage. Exactly what I'm doing.
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well, I think I am just going to get the AEM guage
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buy the innovation lamba cable for $189 shipped and output it into your exsisting guage. Saves you money. Unless you really want an lcd readout of the a/f. But hen you go output to a $9 LCD panel.

Speaking of, mine just arrived after I finished typing that!
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buy the innovation lamba cable for $189 shipped and output it into your exsisting guage. Saves you money. Unless you really want an lcd readout of the a/f. But hen you go output to a $9 LCD panel.

Speaking of, mine just arrived after I finished typing that!
Im going to do just that, when you install yours could you do a post about it braineack
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how would you output it into the gauge, plug it into the back
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The LC-1 just has a wire that taps into the NB signal wire of the gauge. Then with your handy dandy computer software. You set what the voltage output needs to be....they have all the popular gauges listed on the site. That's it! Your NB gauge will now display your WB output!

Now to figure out how to run the wires.
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LM-1 here and I love Innovates support. I have multiple cars that I tune on, so the portablitiy of the LM1 is cool.

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The LC-1 just has a wire that taps into the NB signal wire of the gauge. Then with your handy dandy computer software. You set what the voltage output needs to be....they have all the popular gauges listed on the site. That's it! Your NB gauge will now display your WB output!

Now to figure out how to run the wires.

please do a thread of your install, it would be very helpful?
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I'll see what I can do. It's basically mounting the device and running a few wires. A bunch of grounds, one power, and the output to gauge.
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