First two times I did it correctly.

I don't know about the fuel thing but it recalibrated perfectly. I don't know. But yeah so I'll buy some wires to clean it all up but I still don't know what I'm supposed to do to power the wideband. What about powering off the stock 2nd O2 sensor wiring?

Imo, You should stick to driving vw bugs. :crx:

But in all seriousness, I highly suggest that you do more miata related reading via these forums & else where :hahano:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1427312108

I'll accept your analogy if you qualify it by stating "the altimeter will sometimes just not work for no reason at all"

But I would rather know my altimiter wasn't working than think it was right when I was actually about to hit the ground. I mean if I knew it was wrong I could just fly upside down and look for the ground. That's how it works right?

My LC-1 didn't work once. One of the little 2.5mm plugs had been pulled out of the socket going to the XD-16 gauge. I will concede that I do live a very blessed life compared to most people on the planet, but I can't say that Innovate is the reason for all of my good fortune.

I also own an AEM. I put it in a box on my shelf a couple of years ago and it still resides there.

I'll take that piece of crap AEM from your hands and relieve you of the misery of owning such pathetic technology for $50

That's enough money to build a shrine for the Innovate

;)

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1427395051

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1427395051

Just like pull starting a chain saw. Oh yeah.

I'm loving this thread.

I just wanted to comment on a few points I saw.

Warmup
All wideband sensors have a fixed heating element and need to be in their working temperature range to function properly. Most controllers go full power on the heater element immediately and then modulate down based on feedback. The Innovate LC-1 specifically modulates heater circuit in a way that causes premature sensor failure.

Whether a manufacturer chooses to show you a countdown or just immediately show values is just a choice. Functionally, at the sensor level, most are doing the same thing. Ones that show a countdown, I would argue, are the more intelligent manufacturers because they get the everyday people who don't know this to provide some basic sensor warmup, extending sensor life. No wideband sensor will work when you immediately fire it up cold and if you want your sensor to live longer and provide accurate readings, you should let it warm up electrically before firing the engine. We don't all have 5+ minutes to wait before firing our vehicles so, as long as you understand that the sensor needs to be up to temperature for accurate readings, you will be good. If you put the sensor in a place that is too cold, the heater element will have to overwork and my not be able to stay in its working temperature range, providing poor readings.

Power & Ground
You need an excellent, low noise power & ground for any precision measurement equipment. This isn't wideband specific. The LC-1 is notoriously noise sensitive due to poor input filtering.

Analog Output to MS
You need to check for ground offsets on ANY analog going to your ECU, Logger, FunTimeArduinoProject, etc. People like to ground things in different places, create ground loops, and noise antennas all the time in cars. So, check.

Sensor Calibration
The controllers that do not offer a free air calibration are basing their calibration on the factory resistor in the connector of the Bosch or NTK sensor. Sensors drift with age and contamination and it is possible to account for this drift. Unfortunately most aftermarket controllers are still not fully capable and certainly don't offer a closed loop feedback with cal gas or a validation method. To make this simple, in a low cost aftermarket meter you want one with free air calibration capability.

Free air calibration should be done in literal free air ideally. Not 1 day old air sitting in the exhaust, but actually unscrewing the sensor and leaving it out in free, clean air.

Innovate LC-1
The LC-1s were absolute trash. Innovate products have improved since then. When the LC-1 first came out, I sold a fair number with another company I worked for. Our failure rate was exceptionally high within the first few months. Noise problems, sensor failures, inaccuracy, software problems, communication problems, etc. Their LM-1 before the LC-1 was better and we were not expecting the LC-1 to perform so poorly. I suspect they revised their product but we stopped selling them quickly. Personally, I would just toss any LC-1 at this stage as nearly any controller is better.

lol the NGK sucks.

i cruise leaner than it can meter.


now stop trying to freely advertise/pitch on this site beore I ban you.

Take out the last two sentences if you like, the rest of it is my experience as a design engineer in the field and thread relevant. Of course, everyone has an opinion. Well informed or not.

The AFR values are a tradeoff. You go leaner, you lose analog resolution. The value you choose for the high and low end are abstract on the design side. It has zero to do with quality. There should be a wider range version out in the future as customers have asked for it. Lambda display option & LSU 4.9 compatibility are strong possibilities as well.

:idea: Maybe ask me if I want to advertise and present me with rates and information instead of condemnation and a ban threat.

Thanks man I appriciate all the info. I actually ended buying a new mtlx because after calling around, the guy at innovate definitely sounded much more knowledgable on the topic and I also found out that innovate since last week has begun shipping all widebands with the updated bosch 4.9. They guaranteed me that the new sensor will not have any significant real world gains over the 4.2 and if I can get a good deal on a 4.2 that it's perfectly fine and I shouldn't care. Well since the 4.2 is being phased out anyways, I decided I would want to get the updated 4.9 sensor. Luckily I found out that 949 restocks innovative stuff every week so they should have the new 4.9. The item number is apparently the same so the only way you can tell the difference is by looking at the box appreantly. Anyways, I put in a order with 949 and its on its way. :) at $160 I'm suuper happy :D

On another note sweet baby Jesus my neg count is at -250 xD. It's kinda funny but at the same time discouraging.

Post something useful and it will go back up.

It aint ever up to anywhere near 0. Have you not noticed people hardly ever give props? It's as if people use it only for negs. The other day I maxed out my per day props in one thread because the person doing the build was sharing a lot and I appreciate it. I think I have given out like 2 negs EVER, and those were seriously offensive remarks.

I beg to differ

Just depends on what you're doing. I give out positive props at least as much, if not more, than I give out negative props.

Typically if something is particularly helpful, awesome, funny, or clever, you'll get positive props. If something is stupid, unresearched, or half-assed, you'll get negative props. Since most of your posts have been in the latter three categories, you've gotten mostly negative props. I remember propping your posts from the trip up the volcano though because they were awesome.

It's simple, really.

I only got so much money and so much time to make write ups on anything that is worth writing up or commenting on. I can only take so many trips to 14k feet with the damn top down with snow and bring a stack of photos for like 5 props or whatever.

Yeah that's you, but I get like -5 for every other post I do. I think my post count is not a reflection of my character but more of how a couple people want to just neg the f outa me. You say its simple, well that means you are saying I deserve my count. Well I say you are F'ing wrong and if you think it should take me a freakin year or sum shit to get to a zero count, well I say thats bull shit.

I have over 150 props and my build is pure budget. Post less stupid stuff and more stuff like Hawaii shit, and s10 stuff. Or research and spend time learning before posting.

I don't have anymore money to spend man. I'm all out. What I got is what I got and what I'm installing is what I'm installing for next year.

I even got negged on my Prelude picture :jerkin:

BEG to differ sir,

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1427845150

I commented on that prelude, so clean :drool:

You over estimate my social capital.

You over estimate the degree to which I can contribute in such a way where I can make 300props

The point that I keep making is also, this is just me. Yeah I search, but yeah sometimes I just ask questions without doing hours of research. Sometimes I don't have time, sometimes I am tired of looking at the computer, sometimes I just feel like chatting it up, or whatever. And on all of this, often a lot of new information is surfacing and it is not revealed until a new discussion begins.

It's my character, my style, that a couple people feel that I deserve to be negged to hell for. I think that's f'ing bullshit and I don't bow to domination.

Only reason I would neg someone is if there were being offensive or cruel to others. I actually see plenty of that but I just don't bother. But whatever, I'm sure I'll get negs for this post too.

Let's neg people for expressing themselves because it doesn't fit into our superficial ideal of how to act proper.

You're right, driving up a mountain and taking pictures just to get 5 props is definitely not worth it :facepalm:

You're missing the point man. Look at Jeffbucc. He doesn't do it for props. He is just awesome, and the props come naturally. The opposite is currently true for you. But you can claw your way back.

Wear it as a badge of your learning curve.

so in other words


you're a lazy whiney b* and everyone should love you for it

and if they don't, they're negative conformist haters

there are other people like you. they're called hippies

Holy hell man this again? Aren't you ever going to get sick of bitching about this?

I don't do it for props either, I do it to share. Just like I do everything for. Well maybe I aint awesome like jeffbucc, maybe I'm not some super cool tuner or maybe I'm not funny to you guys and maybe I don't fully research anything. Thing is, SO WHAT. If you think I should be berried in neg's because those reasons, I seriously think ya'll got some control issues.

Yeah right big man. You talk about acting like a man lol. You wouldn't know a man if it marched down your street leading a million people to fight for economic and racial equality and ending the vietnam war and dying for true democracy and justice.

You think your little e thug strut makes you hot shit LOL. What you don't seem to understand is your domination type of charter are the roots of evil and all the things that go wrong with society. Take a look in the mirror soon bro cause you are on a path to a very unhappy life.

:laugh:

Please keep telling Vlad how unhappy he is

It makes him harder

He thrives on it

Prepare your anus

Those hippies ended the vietnam war :nuts:

I aint bitchin, I said my count is discouraging, others responded, so I responded back.

18psi continues to show his emotional underdevelopment. There, I made a joke.

What you don't seem to understand is your domination type of charter are the roots of evil and all the things that go wrong with society. Take a look in the mirror soon bro cause you are on a path to a very unhappy life.

intentional double post?
must be thuper srs

I am the root of all evil. Who knew

Are you a wizard bro?

I have absolutely no words left for your soft, tiny, bitchy brain.

What the hell.

It's called social science bro, get an education. Or wait, how about I keep on fighting to make education affordable to every american while you wrench on your car and talk shit to forum members and make yourself feel powerful by threatening of banning them.

YOU are not the root of evil, your attitude of domination, selfishness and anti social behavior are what leads to f'ed up societies. But I don't want to blame you because you are only a gear in the machine. BUT, I will say, sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire so here I am, battling your psychosis.

Good one

Thanks. Unsubbed from this shitshow

Am I the machine?

Miata Turbo

http://www.blastr.com/sites/blastr/f...alvation_0.jpg

Yes, of all the times people on this forum called each other gay, I'm pretty sure it's those who accuse people of it which gay thoughts are actually on their minds. You're just projecting.

Are you here to bring Miataturbo out of the closet?

EXACTLY !


https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1427848958

Don't flatter yourself. You are only a gear. Perhaps the nipple of terminator. :rofl:

but am I a hard nipple?

What a good dialogue we have had.

Now that's something I'd like to see :bowrofl:

You keep feeding the machine... it wont stop. Ever. ;)

Hard nips & All

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Hinano, you have failed to observe the forum for what it is, real knowledge & life experience presented by those who get their hands dirty by testing poly-quad head theories.

A quick fix for you would really to just create '1 more thread' where you contain all of your thoughts & questions. It will be a much happier relation between you vs 'da internets of MT' :makeout:

I am posting here to sub for the inevitable flame out of another n00b trying to strike a moral victory against the heathens of MT.net.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1427868115

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1427868115

Well, this thread went sour quickly. So much for wideband talk. Glad the OP got something he is happy with. Hopefully he takes time to wire it in properly.

Mine goes Yonder.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20090216073521

Shoulda made Quality Control bot do it lulz

Great, thanks. Can't wait to clean up his mess on Clubroadster.

https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...-turbos-76550/

Had no idea he had been around for so long.

who knows. but he went full cray cray.

... or was that cry cry ?

Homeboy is leaving us some real "gems" on CR.

Fuckin hawiians crack me up. I live with three of them and I could totally see them being like this online. Cool guys to hang out with in person but lacking some common sense and totally headstrong.

Maybe if he'd posted some mochi or pineapple fried rice recipes I'd have propped him. Something useful. That stuff is awesome.

Dammit, now I'm hungry...

https://www.google.com/search?q=pine...oe=&gws_rd=ssl