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ThePass 10-18-2014 04:42 AM

Singular Motorsports ECU Brackets
 
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Posting a teaser, just finished the final version up and we'll have these available very shortly.

ECU Bracket for the 90-93 miata

Update: for sale! Singular Motorsports Miata ECU Bracket for Miata 1990-1993
  • Hole patterns for MSPNP, MS3 Pro, AMS EMS-4 & Adaptronic
  • Places your ECU in the protected factory location (passenger footwell)
  • 'Floats' above the floor: keeps the ECU cool and minimizes vibration
  • Brushed aluminum & Lightweight (weighs only 6 ounces)

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1413621760

We feel these are overdue - the factory ECU mounts in a protected area in the footwell, but this location has no flat area to offer a good DIY mounting area, and the ECU wiring length limits your options for how far you can move it. We've seen some seriously poor excuses for mounts simply due to the lack of a good solution.

This bracket places your aftermarket ECU in the stock location under the factory kick plate. The hole patterns included in the bracket cover most of the popular ECUs for our cars.

Here is the prototype installed with the kick plate cover removed:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1413621760

Will update with a link as soon as these are in stock!

18psi 10-18-2014 05:00 AM

are you working on anything for the 99+?

BoostedSmurf 10-18-2014 05:18 AM

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https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1413623889

NiklasFalk 10-18-2014 06:16 AM

99+ for the Rev MS3 Basic (huge) without straining the OEM harness?

curly 10-18-2014 08:40 AM

Oregonmon needs one of these! Yes yes yes!

ThePass 10-18-2014 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1176606)
are you working on anything for the 99+?

I'd like to eventually have a solution for each of the various year's ECU locations where mounting a universal box is problematic. 99+ is probably the next on the list as I have one of those sitting here.

These ECUs cost a substantial amount of money. DIY Autotune's mounting "tips" suggest zip ties and sheet metal screws for lack of a better solution. Unacceptable in our opinion. Most other ECU mfgs just avoid the topic all together. :vash:

-Ryan

Zaphod 10-18-2014 12:23 PM

Please in mind that the 99+ versions have the Antilock brake module on the right side of that space...

ThePass 10-18-2014 12:40 PM

Thanks for pointing that out as my '99 does not have ABS. Will keep that in mind.

-Ryan

vintagerust 10-18-2014 12:54 PM

A good way to dampen vibration is to put some rubber isolators between the mount and the chassis (or the ecu and the mount).

I never cared for the whole zip ties and screws method.

Zaphod 10-18-2014 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by ThePass (Post 1176649)
Thanks for pointing that out as my '99 does not have ABS. Will keep that in mind.

-Ryan

I can take some pictures for reference


Originally Posted by vintagerust (Post 1176651)
A good way to dampen vibration is to put some rubber isolators between the mount and the chassis (or the ecu and the mount).

I never cared for the whole zip ties and screws method.

The 99+ ECU is mounted the exact same way without any damping, so I don't think this will be a problem...

18psi 10-18-2014 03:52 PM

Yeah it really surprises me that an $800+ ecu never even entertained the idea that someone might want to mount it properly, you know, not with big zip ties just hanging there like a dingleberry

curly 10-18-2014 04:32 PM

So what about a Rev box? They don't have any flanges sticking out, so the only real option is zip ties. I suppose the easiest solution would be zip tying it through one of the hole patterns on the bracket?

Also, any idea on price?

NiklasFalk 10-18-2014 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 1176682)
So what about a Rev box? They don't have any flanges sticking out, so the only real option is zip ties. I suppose the easiest solution would be zip tying it through one of the hole patterns on the bracket?

You can envisioning making a clamp bracket over the behemoth.
Mine is wrapped in metal strapping which is bolted to a A-frame made from scrap alu strips. The whole contraption is then bolted to the stock three places.
But better design would make less strain on the harness and the connectors on the other side (it's big and the ABS makes it impossible(?) to mount sideways).

Damn you Ryan, now there is yet another thing I have to be ashamed for... :)

ThePass 10-18-2014 05:24 PM

90-93 ECU Bracket is available!

Singular Motorsports Miata ECU Bracket for Miata 1990-1993

Sounds like I should get to work on the '99+ version :party:


Originally Posted by NiklasFalk (Post 1176689)
Damn you Ryan, now there is yet another thing I have to be ashamed for... :)

I'm sorry... but I'm also not ;)

whinin 10-18-2014 05:43 PM

I just mounted mine in the glovebox :dunno:

ThePass 10-18-2014 06:01 PM

We've done that in the past too. Better solution than sheet metal screws into the car, but I'm still not personally a fan of cutting up the glove box and losing storage space in a DD/street car. I've also seen more than once MAP lines getting pinched from opening/closing the glove box and then having running issues.

This allows for the cleanest bolt-on install, eliminates headaches, and has no impact on the limited storage space in the car.

-Ryan

Lincoln Logs 10-19-2014 02:39 AM


Originally Posted by ThePass (Post 1176697)
We've done that in the past too. Better solution than sheet metal screws into the car, but I'm still not personally a fan of cutting up the glove box and losing storage space in a DD/street car. I've also seen more than once MAP lines getting pinched from opening/closing the glove box and then having running issues.

This allows for the cleanest bolt-on install, eliminates headaches, and has no impact on the limited storage space in the car.

-Ryan

I'll add to this, putting the ECU in your glove box introduces a substantial amount of vibration to the ECU as well. I've seen shoddy crimp and solder jobs on ECUs fail as a result. I'm super stoked we were able to bring this out, I've grown sick of seeing zip tied ECU's in clients cars when I tune.

-Sean

akbloom 10-19-2014 10:06 AM

I must be an idiot because I don't understand how you could get the factory kick plate to fit over this? I'm out of town right now so I can't take any photos, but my Rev MS2 is a tight fit between the floor and the kick plate. With this bracket jacking the whole thing up a few inches I can't see how you could bolt the protective kick plate over it.

Reverant 10-19-2014 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1176674)
Yeah it really surprises me that an $800+ ecu never even entertained the idea that someone might want to mount it properly, you know, not with big zip ties just hanging there like a dingleberry

We've entertained the idea, and it always ends up adding $150 to the price of the ECU, as you need a custom enclosure (tooling costs, minimum orders) and custom brackets (ditto).

Maybe its ok to add $150 if the ECU costs $2,000 to begin with, however I don't see it happening on a $500-$900 ECU. I would rather add $150 of awesome features rather than brackets.

ThePass 10-19-2014 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by akbloom (Post 1176780)
I must be an idiot because I don't understand how you could get the factory kick plate to fit over this? I'm out of town right now so I can't take any photos, but my Rev MS2 is a tight fit between the floor and the kick plate. With this bracket jacking the whole thing up a few inches I can't see how you could bolt the protective kick plate over it.

The bracket doesn't 'jack' it up at all. There are only millimeters of clearance to the floor, and the bracket itself is very slim. The placement is carefully set for clearance in all areas by nesting it in the deepest pocket of the footwell and setting it an at angle that is parallel with the kick plate surface instead of the floor surface.

Look at the installed pic in the first post. The kick plate fits over that. MSPNP, MS3 Pro, AEM EMS-4 and Adaptronic all fit under there using this bracket. I can't speak for Reverent's ECUs because I don't have one on hand nor do I have measurements.

Since the Rev boxes don't have mounting tabs, designing an add-on piece to bolt them to the bracket would just be a matter of getting one in my hands for a day.

-Ryan

akbloom 10-19-2014 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by ThePass (Post 1176812)
The bracket doesn't 'jack' it up at all. There are only millimeters of clearance to the floor, and the bracket itself is very slim. The placement is carefully set for clearance in all areas by nesting it in the deepest pocket of the footwell and setting it an at angle that is parallel with the kick plate surface instead of the floor surface.

Look at the installed pic in the first post. The kick plate fits over that. MSPNP, MS3 Pro, AEM EMS-4 and Adaptronic all fit under there using this bracket. I can't speak for Reverent's ECUs because I don't have one on hand nor do I have measurements.

Since the Rev boxes don't have mounting tabs, designing an add-on piece to bolt them to the bracket would just be a matter of getting one in my hands for a day.

-Ryan

Please don't take my comment as criticism, I'm actually very interested in buying one of these. Maybe it's an optical illusion? Would you mind snapping a few more photos of the bracket both installed and on it's own from a few more angles?

curly 10-19-2014 12:54 PM

Ryan I can grab some measurements next time it's in my hands. Vlad has one too currently.

akbloom 10-19-2014 01:08 PM

After staring at the pic some more, what I assumed was a vertical lift of a few inches is actually a diagonal jog to the left! That makes much more sense. As soon as I get back to the states I'm ordering two of these.

ThePass 10-19-2014 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by akbloom (Post 1176815)
Please don't take my comment as criticism, I'm actually very interested in buying one of these. Maybe it's an optical illusion? Would you mind snapping a few more photos of the bracket both installed and on it's own from a few more angles?

No offense taken, just making sure there isn't any misunderstanding that others may read and get confused by :)

I won't be able to get additional pics for a few days at least, but I'll see what I can do.


Originally Posted by akbloom (Post 1176819)
After staring at the pic some more, what I assumed was a vertical lift of a few inches is actually a diagonal jog to the left! That makes much more sense. As soon as I get back to the states I'm ordering two of these.

:love:

Zaphod 10-19-2014 01:18 PM

Why did you do this angle to the right anyway and didn't use the left and 2nd left mounting screw like the OEM bracket does? That would make it an 90-05 bracket I guess...

ThePass 10-19-2014 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 1176817)
Ryan I can grab some measurements next time it's in my hands. Vlad has one too currently.

This would be great. No intention to leave Rev ECUs out on this, it just didn't fall into the list of ECUs which come with integrated mounting tabs.

I have an idea already for a simple add-on for a Rev ECU to adapt it to the bracket. Would just need precise measurements.

-Ryan

ThePass 10-19-2014 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by Zaphod (Post 1176823)
Why did you do this angle to the right anyway and didn't use the left and 2nd left mounting screw like the OEM bracket does? That would make it an 90-05 bracket I guess...

This shape avoids a stud that sticks out of the floor - which you can kind of see in the installed pic in post 1 - passing over this stud would have raised the bracket a couple millimeters. I also like the diagonal shape for spreading the load of the ECU among the mounting points better than if the bracket extended straight down to the two holes directly below. Similar to a hammock.

Over where you are, I believe they kept the ECU in the footwell for nearly all years yes? In the states, they are only in this location from 90-93, then they move. 94-97 is behind the passenger seat, 99+ is under the dash.

Because I don't exactly have any EU cars here, I can't have easily known what similarities/differences existed across the years in your case.

-Ryan

Zaphod 10-19-2014 01:56 PM

Ah I see, I will take some pictures of my EU car tomorrow for reference purposes ...

Reverant 10-19-2014 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by ThePass (Post 1176825)
This would be great. No intention to leave Rev ECUs out on this, it just didn't fall into the list of ECUs which come with integrated mounting tabs.

-Ryan

Dimensions sent.

18psi 10-19-2014 03:56 PM

I hear you Dimitris.
It wasn't an attack at you specifically, since DIY and pretty much anyone else selling these either doesn't have tabs on the cases or has dinky little ones meant for zip ties only or something. I just can't imagine that whoever is making these cases can't integrate at least something we can work with.

Anyways, I've already "solved" my mounting problem ;)
But can provide dimensions or input on anything you guys need.

EO2K 10-19-2014 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1176606)
are you working on anything for the 99+?

Plus eleventybillion. My simple bent up brackets in my build thread work, but they are less than ideal. I don't mind drilling holes in an ECU to facilitate mounting if there were some properly designed brackets out there.

Jeffbucc 10-19-2014 07:17 PM

Hmmm I want to throw my money at this but I also have a DIYBOB addon board on my MS3x, which looks like it may be hard to mount on the bracket as well.

Lincoln Logs 10-19-2014 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by Jeffbucc (Post 1176879)
Hmmm I want to throw my money at this but I also have a DIYBOB addon board on my MS3x, which looks like it may be hard to mount on the bracket as well.

Email us a photo/dimensions and we can see what we can do about it.

-Sean
Singular Motorsports

Mobius 10-20-2014 02:43 AM

WTB: brackets that install themselves along with the ecu so I don't have to remove my seat, go upside down with my calves on the roll bar, and get cramps in my obliques contorting my head and arms under the dash.

Ryan you can do it.

ThePass 10-20-2014 02:47 AM

I'm reading that as you'd like to be able to mount the ECU to the bracket outside of the car and then be able to bolt the bracket/ecu combo in place as a unit?

That's how this 90-93 version is intended to be installed, and how I plan to make the 99+ version. :)

The other way I could read that is you want a self-installing bracket/ecu... which I'm not sure I can make happen..

-Ryan

Reverant 10-20-2014 02:48 AM

How about an ECU bracket that installs in the passenger airbag compartment, for those of us that have deleted the airbags?

18psi 10-20-2014 02:53 AM

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/\ that would be easy, actually.
And so would making a 99+ bracket to mount MS in OEM location considering you can just copy the oem orientation and run a plate or piece of metal or anything you want connecting the two mounts and with like 2-4 holes in the plate to mount the MS.

I see good potential for this idea :party:

*edit:

rike dis

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1413788153

ThePass 10-20-2014 03:08 AM

Yup, that's the gist of it. The idea is to keep the ECU in the factory location - no relocation necessary, the wiring is already ready to rock and roll there, it's a secluded/safe spot, etc.

Also working on adapters for Reverent ECUs to fit our brackets.

-Ryan

Reverant 10-20-2014 03:40 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1176969)
/\ that would be easy, actually.

Sign me up for one!

TheCowGod 10-20-2014 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by ThePass (Post 1176970)
Yup, that's the gist of it. The idea is to keep the ECU in the factory location - no relocation necessary, the wiring is already ready to rock and roll there, it's a secluded/safe spot, etc.

Also working on adapters for Reverent ECUs to fit our brackets.

-Ryan

I'm very interested. I just installed a Rev MS3 in my '99 a month or two ago, but I had to go the zip tie route like everyone else. I'd love a rigid bracket.

And I second the fantastic idea of a version 2 that extrudes tiny robotic legs and crawls up in there itself and nestles itself in your car's loins like a parasite, so I can skip all the "unbolt seat and flip myself around" hassle that Mobius mentioned. I'd pay at least another $25 for that option.

EO2K 10-20-2014 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by TheCowGod (Post 1177025)
And I second the fantastic idea of a version 2 that extrudes tiny robotic legs and crawls up in there itself and nestles itself in your car's loins like a parasite,

Make it automatically reinstall my injectors, MAF and stock ECU every 2 years and I'm in.

rwyatt365 10-20-2014 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by Reverant (Post 1176967)
How about an ECU bracket that installs in the passenger airbag compartment, for those of us that have deleted the airbags?

Yes, please! (...and a Boomslang w/ 3ft of wires to boot...)


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1176969)
And so would making a 99+ bracket to mount MS in OEM location considering you can just copy the oem orientation and run a plate or piece of metal or anything you want connecting the two mounts and with like 2-4 holes in the plate to mount the MS.

HORRORS, NO!! The only way I could figure out how to remove the top bolt of the OEM ECU location was after I had removed the dash! I could feel the f**ker, but just couldn't get a wrench on it.

freedomgli 10-20-2014 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by ThePass (Post 1176970)
Also working on adapters for Reverent ECUs to fit our brackets.

:yippee: :) :bigtu:

I've got a Rev MS3 waiting to go into my '91. This bracket will help me keep things neat and tidy.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...54/311/747.jpg

Mazduh 10-20-2014 02:56 PM

Yeah if your doing them for rev built units I'm sold! I ended up making my own metal bracket and it works well but it's in sucha tricky position it's a PITA to connect the serial cable to on/off.

Reverant 10-20-2014 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by Mazduh (Post 1177109)
Yeah if your doing them for rev built units I'm sold! I ended up making my own metal bracket and it works well but it's in sucha tricky position it's a PITA to connect the serial cable to on/off.

Just to note here, you have the older-style Enhanced MS2, which is using the MS3x enclosure.

freedomgli 10-31-2014 12:15 PM

Any updates on adapter brackets to fit MS Labs MS3?

ThePass 10-31-2014 05:22 PM

The adapters for Reverent ECUs are designed and in the queue for production, we should have pieces to test fit beginning of this coming week. :)

-Ryan

akbloom 10-31-2014 05:27 PM

that's awesome. I have a Rev MS2 (not sure which generation). I'm hoping you've got something that will work for me. Worst case I pop a couple of holes in the case and screw it all together, right?

NiklasFalk 10-31-2014 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by akbloom (Post 1180085)
Worst case I pop a couple of holes in the case and screw it all together, right?

Or just use a bunch of zip-ties to the bracket :D

TheCowGod 10-31-2014 06:21 PM

That's exciting news. Do you have a rough price range in mind for the Rev brackets? Recent (few month old) MS3 in my case, if it makes a difference.

ThePass 11-01-2014 01:29 AM


Originally Posted by TheCowGod (Post 1180094)
That's exciting news. Do you have a rough price range in mind for the Rev brackets? Recent (few month old) MS3 in my case, if it makes a difference.

I'm thinking if you buy the bracket from Good-Win Racing and need the reverent adapters, email us and we'll ship you a set for the cost of shipping + $5 or so, but don't quote me on that quite yet...

-Ryan

18psi 11-01-2014 04:06 AM


Originally Posted by rwyatt365 (Post 1177106)
Yes, please! (...and a Boomslang w/ 3ft of wires to boot...)



HORRORS, NO!! The only way I could figure out how to remove the top bolt of the OEM ECU location was after I had removed the dash! I could feel the f**ker, but just couldn't get a wrench on it.

I just did this last week, and it was one of the easiest things ever. took literally 25 seconds per nut. maybe get proper tools?

TheCowGod 11-01-2014 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by ThePass (Post 1180122)
I'm thinking if you buy the bracket from Good-Win Racing and need the reverent adapters, email us and we'll ship you a set for the cost of shipping + $5 or so, but don't quote me on that quite yet...

-Ryan

Ah ok, so these are still only for 90-93, then?


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1180126)
I just did this last week, and it was one of the easiest things ever. took literally 25 seconds per nut. maybe get proper tools?

The top nut was definitely the hard one for me too. Plain 10mm box wrench did it for me in the end, but it was a huge pain, and it took forever to figure out I had to pry the plastic wiring loom anchor off the end of the stud first.

ThePass 11-01-2014 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by TheCowGod (Post 1180169)
Ah ok, so these are still only for 90-93, then?

The 90-93 bracket is available now. I'm planning to design the 99+ bracket late November.

The adapter brackets for Reverent ECUs are almost finished. Those adapters secure those ECUs (which do not normally have any mounting tabs on them) to Singular Motorsports ECU brackets - whether it's the 90-93 or 99+ bracket the adapters will work for both. You buy the bracket appropriate to your year, and if you have a Rev ECU contact us directly for the adapters. It wouldn't make sense to design a whole new bracket just for those ECUs.

-Ryan

akbloom 12-02-2014 06:38 PM

Any updates on the Reverant compatible bracket? I'd love to get one for my 1990.

concealer404 12-02-2014 06:42 PM

Not pressing, but i'd be super interested in an airbag mount for an NA8.

And/or a bracket for factory location.

EO2K 12-02-2014 06:43 PM

My MSLabs MS3-B is out of the NB at the moment. A fancy new bracket would certainly motivate me to reinstall it :naughty:

ThePass 12-02-2014 09:17 PM

Hey guys, sorry for the delays! It's been equal parts due to the holidays as well as having a C7 Stingray come in for some product development with a tight deadline :)

Reverent ECU:
I've made up the Reverent ECU adapter tabs that should allow MSLabs ECUs to fit Singular Motorsports ECU brackets. It turned out that our local guy with a Rev ECU had one of the old-style behemoth units *note: there is no hope for those to fit our brackets, sorry to those who have that model* so we just need to confirm the tabs do indeed work. Anyone who is up for purchasing a bracket through Good-Win Racing, I can mail the tabs direct to you if you'll confirm fitment for us :)

99+ bracket
Working on the design for this one, but having to work that around the C7 stuff and a few other higher priorities, so I don't want to make any hard guarantees on when they will be released yet.

-Ryan

curly 12-03-2014 12:14 AM

Bracket is on it's way from Goodwin!

So are the brackets for a Rev PNP MS3 unit (I don't consider the original units PNP, since they use a patch harness).

Should be tested by the 9th or 10th I hope, if Oregonmon is back in town, might not be until the 13th/14th.

This is all assuming both pieces arrive by then in this cluster fuck of a shipping month.

freedomgli 12-03-2014 02:10 PM

I'll bite once curly confirms everything works with the Rev PNP MS3.


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