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Midtenn 10-23-2018 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by SpartanSV (Post 1507802)
I find it hilarious that you're claiming you know what you're doing and you think a straight extension/adapter changes the torque on the fastener.

Because I feel this is going to be a sidebar (I've always been told the same thing). I learned something today.


SpartanSV 10-23-2018 11:16 AM

Video no worky but if we're siting sources here's mine. Something like a crow's foot extension that extends parallel to the wrench will change torque. A straight extension perpendicular will not. I think that's where the myth comes from.

Does an extension affect a torque wrench? | Helping you work smarter not harder

k24madness 10-23-2018 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by Twibs415 (Post 1507797)


I blew up a modded oem gasket and the cometic now. Our setups are similar is true but the motors are completely different in a few major ways.

Arp reccomends 65lbs so I’m not far off. If anything once you add the extension and an adapter 70lbs ends up being a bit less.

It cracks me up how the community is so stuck in a “it can’t be” attitude when it comes to stuff like this.

Just another data point. Take it for what it’s worth or ignore it, makes no difference to me.



Midtenn 10-23-2018 11:24 AM

Fixed the YT link/embed.

SpartanSV 10-23-2018 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by Midtenn (Post 1507821)
Fixed the YT link/embed.

:pitlab:

concealer404 10-23-2018 11:42 AM

Weird. I learned something today, too.

Twibs415 10-23-2018 12:55 PM

Learned something new today as well. Old timers told me wrong

Savington 10-23-2018 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1507751)
Even with 11:1 and the head decking, you're only running 10 psi of boost. I'd be surprised if it's all that much higher cylinder pressure than (say) my car running 9:1 (with unknown but significant head machining) and 24 psi of boost.

Depends on what the dynamic compression and timing is. I could easily believe a low-timing 9:1 setup at 24psi with a late IVC event could have a lot less peak pressure than a 13:1, high-timing, early IVC setup.

ridethecliche 10-25-2018 11:13 PM

Along the lines of these questions, should we be going over 65lbs for the arps if we're pushing higher boost? Like 25-30psi range. Up to maybe 70-75?

I don't want to crack the head, but sounds like chance of lift increases with more pressure which is totally shocking and all! (Yay jokes!)

Thanks for sharing that torque wrench video up thread!

AL4SPN 10-28-2018 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 1508354)
Along the lines of these questions, should we be going over 65lbs for the arps if we're pushing higher boost? Like 25-30psi range. Up to maybe 70-75?

I don't want to crack the head, but sounds like chance of lift increases with more pressure which is totally shocking and all! (Yay jokes!)

Thanks for sharing that torque wrench video up thread!

I'm pretty sure when i redid mine with the new bigger washers we went to 90, OEM head gasket and no problems since at 32-35 psi with a couple of pulls up to 40psi

nitrodann 10-29-2018 03:39 AM

My 2c on extension bars.

Yeah they DEFINITELY lower the output torque of a concussion tool (ie a rattle gun) because the shaft twists and absorbs some of the whack, but on a torque based tool (ie a ratchet) they make no difference because the torque is constant.

You can test this by hand easily, infact, proving that an extension lowers a rattle guns effectiveness is easy, just get a bolt which wont come out with an extension on it then hit it with the gun sans extension and watch it come right out.


Dann


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