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Old 06-02-2014, 04:27 PM   #41
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That... is actually a really good idea. I'll have to go read more. One thing I have searched for and not gotten a good answer on is whether I should spring for an MS3?

I know with a VVT motor it eliminates the need for VVTuner, but for my '94 motor that isn't a concern of course. Does the increase in table size and resolution make a big enough difference to warrant the extra $$?
Depends on what you you want. There are entire threads that discuss this. My ms1 worked just fine. My a/c functions a lot better on ms3 and now I have sequential fuel and spark. Also there is actual documentation on ms3 so It's easier for me to follow tutorials. MS1 menu options aren't even close to ms2 or 3 so it's hard to follow other peoples howto info.

There are a lot of other reasons to switch like more inputs. I read a lot of stuff saying how much better peoples cars ran after switching to ms3 but mine wasn't really noticeable other than a/c. I was only running 265cc injectors though. My car idled very smoothly before and still does (I'm running 1000cc id's though now).

Based on you asking questions though I'd recommend buying an ecu built by a forum member like brain or rev though. They'll support what they built and the extra money will be worth it. As concealer said do it once and do it right. There is a difference between being a cheapskate and thrifty. If you're cutting corners to barely make it you should probably re-evaluate what you're doing.
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Its not inflamatory. The silly n00b just wants to bump his post count by posting some borderline ignorant info.
Why dont you call the owner of flyin miata and ask him if I'm a Noob....
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I don't need to. I have first hand experience, not just regurgitating information I heard from someone else.
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Why dont you call the owner of flyin miata and ask him if I'm a Noob....


I don't think Bill would bother giving anyone the time of day if we called up asking stupid **** like that.

The times i've met him (in person HAHAHAHA I CAN NAME DROP TOO!!!) he seemed like a really nice guy who just didn't give a ****.
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Depends on what you you want. There are entire threads that discuss this. My ms1 worked just fine. My a/c functions a lot better on ms3 and now I have sequential fuel and spark. Also there is actual documentation on ms3 so It's easier for me to follow tutorials. MS1 menu options aren't even close to ms2 or 3 so it's hard to follow other peoples howto info.

There are a lot of other reasons to switch like more inputs. I read a lot of stuff saying how much better peoples cars ran after switching to ms3 but mine wasn't really noticeable other than a/c. I was only running 265cc injectors though. My car idled very smoothly before and still does (I'm running 1000cc id's though now).

Based on you asking questions though I'd recommend buying an ecu built by a forum member like brain or rev though. They'll support what they built and the extra money will be worth it. As concealer said do it once and do it right. There is a difference between being a cheapskate and thrifty. If you're cutting corners to barely make it you should probably re-evaluate what you're doing.
I fail at search then, because I swear I did look. Thanks for the excellent information. It does sound much easier to set up - for somebody with no experience like me, that's a huge plus and worth the price of admission right there.

Thanks for the info, I think you're right - I'll try getting a rev-built MS3 in there NA, and then proceed with the FM no-electronics kit after I have it running.

I assume the fresh radiator that kept the car at 200F all day on the track would probably still be sufficient with a turbo and stock injectors if I do the coolant reroute?

I'm interested in keeping the injectors stock for awhile to save the $$ on the injectors themselves up front, save $$ on a crossflow fan or something similar up front, and have lower HP until I get more track time under my belt.

I guess one issue with my plan is that it also doubles up on tuning time and cost...
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Does it get pretty hot where you are? I don't think i'd run a stock radiator on track period, personally... let alone when boosted.
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It's fine you told the op your opinion. I disagree with your opinion since his motor appears to be fine. So do others on here. For what it would cost him for VVT he could have bought a stand-alone, tuned his car, and have better numbers than the vvt. He's not trying to win nationals here just have a functional reliable car.

For what a vvt would set him back he could buy another motor and blow that one too. And he can giggle around every turn and forget about his vitals for another go at the track. Or he can buy a vvt that has 50k miles on it ,spend 3 times as much, and do something stupid and blow it up.
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If you don't have money for injectors, wait to put on the turbo. What's the point if you're only going to be able to run 5psi? Get the MS, learn to tune, get a good radiator (the stocker won't cut it on track with boost), coolant reroute, and learn to drive the car NA. A turbo track car is not something you can squeak by on with the bare minimum, or it will end up costing you a lot more in the long run.
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hey man I am just another miata owner wanting to tlak with others, Man I have had miatas' for 15 years, and have done it all bro, where do you guys get off talking down to an active auto-x, miata builder and owner like you do? you guys are true **** mouths and shouldn't be on this forum, god knows if I were running it, the first stupid *** post you ould have been gone,
I have been met with nothing but disrespect on here, just because you don't like what someone is saying you reem on them, use constructive critisism, Don't be an *******, I would put a whole years pay on out racing and out building all the smart asses that think they know about this car,building and racing, I do this as a hobby and I have done nothing but give advice, didn't reem on anyone didn't put anyone down, but multiple people have towards me. those are the people that should be kicked off this forum.
And if you have something to say then come on down to key west FL, we'll meet up and i'll out do anything you think you can do. out build and out race you, or I'll give you my car. that mouth is writing checks I bet your *** can't cash, lets hear that mouth run when I sho you up, then all you will come with is excuses.
Come down here, show up, **** I'll come to you smart ***.
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Aluminum Ebay radiator is cheap ~$100. You mite be able to get away with stock rad at lower power as long as you have an under-tray but not something I'd really mess around with. It's well known the cheapo aluminum ebay rads are used on some track cars.
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hey man I am just another miata owner wanting to tlak with others, Man I have had miatas' for 15 years, and have done it all bro, where do you guys get off talking down to an active auto-x, miata builder and owner like you do? you guys are true **** mouths and shouldn't be on this forum, god knows if I were running it, the first stupid *** post you ould have been gone,
I have been met with nothing but disrespect on here, just because you don't like what someone is saying you reem on them, use constructive critisism, Don't be an *******, I would put a whole years pay on out racing and out building all the smart asses that think they know about this car,building and racing, I do this as a hobby and I have done nothing but give advice, didn't reem on anyone didn't put anyone down, but multiple people have towards me. those are the people that should be kicked off this forum.
And if you have something to say then come on down to key west FL, we'll meet up and i'll out do anything you think you can do. out build and out race you, or I'll give you my car. that mouth is writing checks I bet your *** can't cash, lets hear that mouth run when I sho you up, then all you will come with is excuses.
Come down here, show up, **** I'll come to you smart ***.

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If he doesn't respond again we know it's cause he broke his keyboard. or the QC bot got him. Take it ez there breh. Anyway I think the op has decided in the direction he wants to go.

https://www.miataturbo.net/megasquir...-vs-ms3-76037/

link form inside that thread http://www.msextra.com/feature-xref.html

Link at msextra goes over all the actual technical differences.

Rev puts some magic into his boards so the above link comparing features may be a little different. Consider that when working with him.
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Sure is Flurduh in here.
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I'm not to say anything negative to someone when they give an opinion on what they thing about someones' build ect. everyone here could learn alot more if there wasn't so much B.S on this forum. multiple things I have seen on here like, go get a standalone and learn how to use it, some one off post about post counts, ect, what is that crap?
Actions speak louder than words,breh,,,,, you got something negative to ay, then come down here and be about it.. period.
**** I just want to give insight and get it from other miata owners and their experiences with their cars, their builds, and tech questions, not put up with nonsense, like psi has nothing to do with it, positve pressure has every damn thing to do with it amateur.. please stop with disrespect, be informative, be helpful, take advice, or nothing. why waste peoples time with blah?
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Oh yeah also the best way to search miataturbo is to go to google and type something like below in the search. It will search the site miataturbo.net for compression test. I havne't searched via the forum search in many years.

"compression test site:www.miataturbo.net"
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FWIW with respect to the stock radiator, I can say that I definitely overheated with a literally stock one, because its 17 years old, but an OEM-style replacement has done quite well for me this season, at least N/A. Since my... incident last year, I was very careful to set up my ultragauge to alert me to overtemps, and I had a passenger monitoring the gauge for a session or two.

Just as a data point, a Tyco OEM-style replacement radiator on an NA motor with ambient temps in the 90s in Alabama running for 15-minute sessions every hour will not break 212F at all and will mostly hover around 200F while actually driving, and be back to 194 (where my thermostat holds) by the time you're back in pit, so for an N/A vehicle, the stocker style is plenty.

I suppose I could just save up and go full bore, do the radiator and injectors and everything all at once, and just try to have some self-control as I keep learning on the track.

In any case, this is good food for thought, thanks guys.

Err.. and by all at once, I meant run the ms3 n/a first, and then do the rest, of course.
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I'm not to say anything negative to someone when they give an opinion on what they thing about someones' build ect. everyone here could learn alot more if there wasn't so much B.S on this forum. multiple things I have seen on here like, go get a standalone and learn how to use it, some one off post about post counts, ect, what is that crap?
Actions speak louder than words,breh,,,,, you got something negative to ay, then come down here and be about it.. period.
**** I just want to give insight and get it from other miata owners and their experiences with their cars, their builds, and tech questions, not put up with nonsense, like psi has nothing to do with it, positve pressure has every damn thing to do with it amateur.. please stop with disrespect, be informative, be helpful, take advice, or nothing. why waste peoples time with blah?

So give some. Stop blowing hot air and actually give some useful insight. Expect to get called out on bullshit fluff posts today, and at any point in the future on this site. Fluff and special flower posts are not what we're about.

You want to learn? Then bend to the way of the forum and revel in the fact that this is the best performance-oriented forum for this platform on the entire internet. Or do your best to get mad against the way this forum is run, don't fit in, continue to make stupid posts, and either rage quit or get banned. It's how it works.

Judging from your posts and how you react to being called out in general, you'll want to point your browser to ClubRoadster.net Main. You can be the big fish over there.
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FAIR enough. I also need to take into account that a different forum has been run a certian way for how ever may years the most senior people have been running it, I shouldn't speak out on something that
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I'm not to say anything negative to someone when they give an opinion on what they thing about someones' build ect. everyone here could learn alot more if there wasn't so much B.S on this forum. multiple things I have seen on here like, go get a standalone and learn how to use it, some one off post about post counts, ect, what is that crap?
Actions speak louder than words,breh,,,,, you got something negative to ay, then come down here and be about it.. period.
**** I just want to give insight and get it from other miata owners and their experiences with their cars, their builds, and tech questions, not put up with nonsense, like psi has nothing to do with it, positve pressure has every damn thing to do with it amateur.. please stop with disrespect, be informative, be helpful, take advice, or nothing. why waste peoples time with blah?
Go read through the entire thread after you've had a glass of kool-aid and you'll see nothing that harsh has been said. you appear to be grossly overreacting. and PSI is irrelevant if we have no clue what turbo the dude is going to be running. 10 psi on an efr 6758 or 10 psi on a gt2554? huge difference.

Sorry your ego feels so abused but I honestly don't see anything worth being upset about.
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I'm not fully aware of, although I do disagree on how my post have been reponded to, maybe next time I can think about re-wording them, to give a better description and insight in one post.

I get worked up easily, and have done everything with a miata from V8 swaps, to just simple turbo installations of just about every kit there is for these cars. And got rubbed wrong when someone posts stuff like that, because it really comes off like disrespect.

We are all enthusiasts here, there should be a mutual respect, and for those that are new to miatas we should be as helpful as posible, that's all I'm saying.
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