Engine Performance This section is for discussion on all engine building related questions.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: KPower

E85 and boost, what compression ratio could I run?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-06-2017, 03:16 PM
  #41  
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
aidandj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Beaverton, USA
Posts: 18,642
Total Cats: 1,866
Default

run 15:1 and 30psi. For science
aidandj is offline  
Old 09-06-2017, 03:22 PM
  #42  
VladiTuned
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 35,821
Total Cats: 3,481
Default

I genuinely wonder how high you can go on a dinky BP head before you run into serious issues
18psi is offline  
Old 09-06-2017, 03:26 PM
  #43  
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
aidandj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Beaverton, USA
Posts: 18,642
Total Cats: 1,866
Default

Try these and let us know

Name:  EhiJRRV.png
Views: 1278
Size:  588.8 KB

Last edited by aidandj; 09-06-2017 at 03:44 PM.
aidandj is offline  
Old 09-06-2017, 04:04 PM
  #44  
Elite Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (16)
 
patsmx5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 9,297
Total Cats: 476
Default

Originally Posted by 18psi
I genuinely wonder how high you can go on a dinky BP head before you run into serious issues
What serious issues would you run into? Lift the head? crack the head?

LOL on the rods!
patsmx5 is offline  
Old 09-06-2017, 04:35 PM
  #45  
VladiTuned
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 35,821
Total Cats: 3,481
Default

e85 does knock/detonate with enough craziness thrown at it, so there's that.
and then there are the physical load limits you mentioned
18psi is offline  
Old 09-06-2017, 07:51 PM
  #46  
Senior Member
iTrader: (6)
 
k24madness's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Rafael, CA
Posts: 1,421
Total Cats: 95
Default

Originally Posted by patsmx5
Using your calculator, my current setup with 84mm bore, 85mm stroke, 5.233" rods, 9:1 compression, 50* ABDC inlet valve timing, and 40 PSI boost, I get
7.96 dynamic compression ratio
29.62 effective boost compression ratio.

That is already significantly over your 18:1 sane numbers.


If I ran 12:1 and 35 PSI boost:
10.57:1 dynamic compression ratio
35.74:1 effective boost compression ratio.
That's beyond where I would be comfortable. Kudos for boosting "All of it".

At 20 psi you're at 18.77 dynamic with the same above info. Again just my target on race gas or E85 in a highly stressed environment. YMMV. In for results.
k24madness is offline  
Old 09-06-2017, 09:44 PM
  #47  
Elite Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (16)
 
patsmx5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 9,297
Total Cats: 476
Default

Originally Posted by 18psi
e85 does knock/detonate with enough craziness thrown at it, so there's that.
and then there are the physical load limits you mentioned
Yeah, I think I have octane to spare right now. At least for how I use the car, which is street and drag.


Originally Posted by k24madness
That's beyond where I would be comfortable. Kudos for boosting "All of it".

At 20 psi you're at 18.77 dynamic with the same above info. Again just my target on race gas or E85 in a highly stressed environment. YMMV. In for results.
My spring pressure for wastegate is 30 psi.

So if you consider 18:1 safe for track, and I have gotten away with 29.62:1 effective compression ratio, that is quite a difference. Do you think you could run more boost, or more compression on your setup?
patsmx5 is offline  
Old 07-14-2018, 05:51 PM
  #48  
Senior Member
 
LownSlow616's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 504
Total Cats: -23
Default

I know this thread is about high comp and e85 but there is also some good info about high(er) boost levels and e85. I want to add some timing to my map but a lot of timing tables that Ive found are all for lower boost numbers.
I hit 22psi at ~4700rpm and it tapers up to 25-26psi by 7250. E85, stock 9.5:1 pistons, stock rings, stock head.
My current WOT, full boost timing numbers are highlighted in the picture. Could I safely add 4-5 degrees in all the cells?

LownSlow616 is offline  
Old 07-14-2018, 06:30 PM
  #49  
VladiTuned
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 35,821
Total Cats: 3,481
Default

no such thing as a definitive answer to that. assuming you don't start knocking, and don't stop picking up significant power per degree of timing, you might. I have on several cars in the past
18psi is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Madjak
DIY Turbo Discussion
9
07-26-2016 09:32 AM
guttedmiata
Engine Performance
27
08-12-2014 11:23 PM
mspdmx3
Engine Performance
145
04-22-2013 08:42 AM
jim_rocketmow
Engine Performance
26
10-29-2012 11:29 AM
dstn2bdoa
Engine Performance
25
11-04-2010 10:44 AM



Quick Reply: E85 and boost, what compression ratio could I run?



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:14 AM.