K series Miata swap
#383
Even fudging up the math and guessing at the TBD stuff about 5K isn't bad. Compared to a built motor and new turbo stuff this might become an option. K series aren't Miata cheap, but hey aren't as bad as some think. Quick ebay came back with a lot sub$2k pricing
k24a2 engine | eBay
I can't tell you which series is more awesome than another, just a quick search and I have a Honda buddy who knows these things.
k24a2 engine | eBay
I can't tell you which series is more awesome than another, just a quick search and I have a Honda buddy who knows these things.
#385
I hope he does a full package with some sort of discount beyond the group buy. That would be nice but probably won't happen. i guess we'll see.
K24a2's can be had for $800-1200 if you look hard enough. But you really want an 06+ engine. The 04s I know had oil control ring issues and burn nice amounts of oil.
K24a2's can be had for $800-1200 if you look hard enough. But you really want an 06+ engine. The 04s I know had oil control ring issues and burn nice amounts of oil.
#386
The header will easily be 1k if the flywheel is $900. Motor mounts probably $500. Oil system definitely 1k. Now you still need the new engine accessories, harnesses, ECU, header back exhaust, intake, radiator mods, and probably an oil cooler set up if you intend to track heavily. 2k for a good engine as well.
#388
The header will easily be 1k if the flywheel is $900. Motor mounts probably $500. Oil system definitely 1k. Now you still need the new engine accessories, harnesses, ECU, header back exhaust, intake, radiator mods, and probably an oil cooler set up if you intend to track heavily. 2k for a good engine as well.
All parts listed on Home right now will be available as a package for under $5000 shipped, including oiling setup and the header.
I've bought 2 k24a2s since 2009. They cost $1200, $1000, and $900. It's very safe to budget $1000-$1500 for a healthy motor.
I'm estimating the average enthusiast can do this full conversion, including Kpro, for around $8000, depending on specifics. Compare that to the cost of a reliable turbo setup for track duty, or an N/A BP build, and you'll see the value in this swap.
edit: as far as the group buy, I am shooting for April. Header will probably be a couple months after.
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I think the pricing is more than fair. For us street car guys, the BP turbo route will still be the go-to method for cheap power; BUT for a dedicated track rat i don't know if you will be able to beat 200whp n/a, honda reliable, 8krpm all day, and the weight savings you will gain with the swap. Yum.
#394
Thinking about doing this for my next swap project as soon as my SAAB is done. Found the car already. Just need to pull the trigger and stash it for a couple of months.
Other Makes Crosley None | eBay
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#395
The header will easily be 1k if the flywheel is $900. Motor mounts probably $500. Oil system definitely 1k. Now you still need the new engine accessories, harnesses, ECU, header back exhaust, intake, radiator mods, and probably an oil cooler set up if you intend to track heavily. 2k for a good engine as well.
You can get a complete Type S oil pump setup for about 250 if you do a Google search. Cheaper off ebay.
Edit: And the oiling is included now!? Sweet. Still need the Type S pump, but not the pickup stuff.
Last edited by Sparetire; 02-20-2014 at 11:37 AM. Reason: Awesome. And being less of a prick.
#396
Lots of speculation here, so let me clear up some things.
All parts listed on Home right now will be available as a package for under $5000 shipped, including oiling setup and the header.
I've bought 2 k24a2s since 2009. They cost $1200, $1000, and $900. It's very safe to budget $1000-$1500 for a healthy motor.
I'm estimating the average enthusiast can do this full conversion, including Kpro, for around $8000, depending on specifics. Compare that to the cost of a reliable turbo setup for track duty, or an N/A BP build, and you'll see the value in this swap.
edit: as far as the group buy, I am shooting for April. Header will probably be a couple months after.
All parts listed on Home right now will be available as a package for under $5000 shipped, including oiling setup and the header.
I've bought 2 k24a2s since 2009. They cost $1200, $1000, and $900. It's very safe to budget $1000-$1500 for a healthy motor.
I'm estimating the average enthusiast can do this full conversion, including Kpro, for around $8000, depending on specifics. Compare that to the cost of a reliable turbo setup for track duty, or an N/A BP build, and you'll see the value in this swap.
edit: as far as the group buy, I am shooting for April. Header will probably be a couple months after.
However, now that you have clarified the pricing, then you are correct that it compares very favorably to a track reliable turbo miata, so I am genuinely excited now. It will be late this year before I can afford this, though.
#398
In for vid of stock long block K24a2 Miata with decent header and intake and tune v basic 225ish WHP 1.8 turbo Miata.
Yes, I know the turbo will have 35ish more WTQ.
Yes, I know the basic 1.8 is cheaper.
But it will be interesting to see how another thousand RPM allows the K24 car to use gearing more effectively. 5 or 6 speed on either car.
I bet its closer than one most are thinking. And the whole not-having-to-source-badass-hot-side-parts-to-keep-it-together-on-long-track-stints has be tempting for a fairly substantial contingent of people here. Imagine Crusher with a K24. Jesus. Lots of classes where that's not OK, but still.
Yes, I know the turbo will have 35ish more WTQ.
Yes, I know the basic 1.8 is cheaper.
But it will be interesting to see how another thousand RPM allows the K24 car to use gearing more effectively. 5 or 6 speed on either car.
I bet its closer than one most are thinking. And the whole not-having-to-source-badass-hot-side-parts-to-keep-it-together-on-long-track-stints has be tempting for a fairly substantial contingent of people here. Imagine Crusher with a K24. Jesus. Lots of classes where that's not OK, but still.
#400
Yes, I am a speculating dick, because I have specifically avoided adding costs in my head until this was finally ready to come out, so I could avoid disappointment if this was vaporware.
However, now that you have clarified the pricing, then you are correct that it compares very favorably to a track reliable turbo miata, so I am genuinely excited now. It will be late this year before I can afford this, though.
However, now that you have clarified the pricing, then you are correct that it compares very favorably to a track reliable turbo miata, so I am genuinely excited now. It will be late this year before I can afford this, though.
Hopefully we can do some business later this year