Notices
Engine Performance This section is for discussion on all engine building related questions.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: KPower

Miata LFX Swap (Singular Motorsports & Good-Win Racing)

Old Jul 16, 2015 | 06:07 PM
  #81  
endura's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 142
Total Cats: 7
From: toronto
Default

Originally Posted by ThePass
Put together the spreadsheet where I'll be keeping a tab on the costs that go into this. Actual costs once they're incurred will be the important part, but I've also included other main items that I know will be needed with estimates for them:

ThePass' LFX Swap Budget
for the idiots (me) who can't/won't wrench. any idea on turn-key costs? or better to wait till you're 100% done.
Old Jul 16, 2015 | 06:09 PM
  #82  
Chooofoojoo's Avatar
Junior Member
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 458
Total Cats: 40
From: Denver, Co.
Default

<p>Adding that cat to the bottom of all my financial spreadsheets&nbsp;from now on. Made me actually lol at work today.</p>

Last edited by Chooofoojoo; Jul 16, 2015 at 06:30 PM.
Old Jul 16, 2015 | 10:46 PM
  #83  
ThePass's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,310
Total Cats: 1,236
From: San Diego
Default

Abacus Kitty is keeping an eye on the bottom line for us.


Attached Thumbnails Miata LFX Swap (Singular Motorsports &amp; Good-Win Racing)-80-kitteh_aac3b9634d916f81a2e79555754212d037172f04.jpg  
__________________
Ryan Passey
Old Jul 16, 2015 | 10:48 PM
  #84  
ThePass's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,310
Total Cats: 1,236
From: San Diego
Default

Originally Posted by endura
for the idiots (me) who can't/won't wrench. any idea on turn-key costs? or better to wait till you're 100% done.
Turn-key includes labor, so we won't know till' it's done. You could probably ring V8R and get an estimate though.

-Ryan
__________________
Ryan Passey
Old Jul 17, 2015 | 12:49 AM
  #85  
cordycord's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,398
Total Cats: 560
From: SoCal
Default

I've been sucked into this escapade as well. Check out the MV7 transmission next to a 5 speed Miata. While they look about the same, the MV7 feels like it weighs 35lbs more (have not scaled them yet).

If I recall correctly, with the MV7 gear ratio mated to a Getrag 3.23, gear-limited top speed at 7200 rpm's is 210mph.
Attached Thumbnails Miata LFX Swap (Singular Motorsports &amp; Good-Win Racing)-2015-07-16_00002.jpg  
Old Jul 17, 2015 | 01:11 AM
  #86  
ThePass's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,310
Total Cats: 1,236
From: San Diego
Default

Yeahhh that is why I went with the 3.42, and will still be on the look-out for a 3.72.
3.23 is for the salt flats
You were right when we spoke a couple weeks back though - the motor has the torque, so the longer gearing might make for a no-drama 3rd gear-only lap on tight tracks.. looking forward to experimenting.

My MV7 has been living the life of luxury on a pallet up till now. I'll put it on the shipping scale tomorrow.

-Ryan
__________________
Ryan Passey
Old Jul 17, 2015 | 01:48 AM
  #87  
Lincoln Logs's Avatar
Former Vendor
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 530
Total Cats: 64
From: San Diego
Default

Originally Posted by ThePass
My MV7 has been living the life of luxury on a pallet up till now. I'll put it on the shipping scale tomorrow.
It has certainty gotten it's tan on thanks to CJ putting it outside every day.
Old Jul 17, 2015 | 09:19 AM
  #88  
jpreston's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 947
Total Cats: 182
From: KY
Default

Originally Posted by ThePass
Yeahhh that is why I went with the 3.42, and will still be on the look-out for a 3.72... so the longer gearing might make for a no-drama 3rd gear-only lap on tight tracks.. looking forward to experimenting.
Top speed is still 168mph with a 3.9, and 80mph cruise is only 3400rpm. I'm really liking the looks of this swap with a stock mazda 3.9 diff and the 949 big-pawr-spec Giken that I already have sitting in the garage. According to the 3 different builds I've seen, I think I could do the whole swap for somewhere between $6k and $7k after deleting the Getrag diff stuff from the list and then selling my 99 engine, 6 speed, miataroadster shifter, lightweight clutch, and megasquirt. That's pretty damn tempting.
Old Jul 17, 2015 | 11:17 AM
  #89  
Chilicharger665's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,694
Total Cats: 67
From: SE NM
Default

The swap is doable while keeping the factory rear-end stuff?? I have a Giken too and a 3.9, soooo tell me more.
Old Jul 17, 2015 | 11:58 AM
  #90  
ThePass's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,310
Total Cats: 1,236
From: San Diego
Default

It is do-able, sure (isn't everything). The PPF is normally removed for the swap, which the factory Miata differential relies on. To retain the diff you would need to address a new mounting solution, and get a custom driveshaft made.

-Ryan
__________________
Ryan Passey
Old Jul 17, 2015 | 01:15 PM
  #91  
AlwaysBroken's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 817
Total Cats: 20
From: TAMPA, FL
Default

This thread is making me regret my turbo motor. 300whp that you can drive to the store or the track without years of mechanical drama and breakage? Fuuuuuuck.
Old Jul 17, 2015 | 01:19 PM
  #92  
aidandj's Avatar
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 18,643
Total Cats: 1,870
From: Beaverton, USA
Default

Originally Posted by AlwaysBroken
without years of mechanical drama and breakage?
<br />
<br /><br />
<br />That just wouldn't be fun though.
Old Jul 17, 2015 | 01:32 PM
  #93  
sixshooter's Avatar
Moderator
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 22,204
Total Cats: 3,560
From: Tampa, Florida
Default Miata LFX Swap (Singular Motorsports &amp; Good-Win Racing)

Originally Posted by aidandj
<br />
<br /><br />
<br />That just wouldn't be fun though.
Yeah, we'd never learn anything about working on our cars that way.

Might as well buy a Porsche if you don't want to know how a car works.
Old Jul 17, 2015 | 01:41 PM
  #94  
ThePass's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,310
Total Cats: 1,236
From: San Diego
Default

I was going to put my current motor/turbo/cooling system up for sale in the next week or so, but a local customer jumped all over it. I'm rather satisfied that it's staying local. Took me 4+ years, many many hours, and many revisions to get the turbo to run dead reliable at the track.

(old pic)




-Ryan
Attached Thumbnails Miata LFX Swap (Singular Motorsports &amp; Good-Win Racing)-80-dsc_0047_zps5b5c2db9_f6a39da951930c472f9e5ea1607d5d24e467b0e7.jpg  
__________________
Ryan Passey

Last edited by ThePass; Jul 17, 2015 at 06:37 PM.
Old Jul 17, 2015 | 01:54 PM
  #95  
AlwaysBroken's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 817
Total Cats: 20
From: TAMPA, FL
Default

Sorry, off topic post.

Last edited by AlwaysBroken; Jul 17, 2015 at 03:33 PM.
Old Jul 17, 2015 | 02:50 PM
  #96  
ThePass's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,310
Total Cats: 1,236
From: San Diego
Default

^ wut?
__________________
Ryan Passey
Old Jul 17, 2015 | 03:32 PM
  #97  
Girz0r's Avatar
Moderator
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 3,034
Total Cats: 323
From: Austin, TX
Default

Originally Posted by ThePass
^ wut?
He's...... Broken

Or completely off topic talking about 'his' car experience thus far.
Old Jul 17, 2015 | 11:19 PM
  #98  
cordycord's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,398
Total Cats: 560
From: SoCal
Default

So it looks like there are lots of options for the Miata.

turbo
Rotrex
stroker
K24
SR20DET
Rotary
V8 (LS and Ford)
V6 Honda
V6 (GM) LFX
all others (add here)

I was looking for a new mill for the next Catfish, and it really is a difficult decision. However, the LFX seems to check all the boxes:

--can be installed to be as light or lighter than stock Miata block
--stock 290whp, 330whp with E85, 450whp turbo'd (WOW!)
--stock ECU, with tune, or with aftermarket options
--TORQUE. horsepower sells cars, TORQUE wins races (Carrol Shelby)
--relatively simple job, with all the required parts available from V8R
--mass centralization
--bulletproof, robust parts
--relatively cheap parts
--long gears


One of the surprises wtih the Catfish is that with some good horsepower pushing 1,700lbs, shorter gearing is the last thing you want. It always seems like first and second get you through the intersection only, so these new gear ratios should really help the car stretch its legs.

I'm REALLY excited to see how this build progresses.

Last edited by cordycord; Jul 18, 2015 at 12:11 AM.
Old Jul 18, 2015 | 03:17 PM
  #99  
hornetball's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 6,301
Total Cats: 697
From: Granbury, TX
Default

Originally Posted by cordycord
--bulletproof, robust parts
This is the one area that is still a bit of a ?? for me.

Has the LFX built-up a good track pedigree yet? I think most of the Camaros seeing the track have LS motors. Miata guys might be the first ones to really wring it out.

OTOH, so understressed in a Miata application -- so . . . .
Old Jul 18, 2015 | 03:48 PM
  #100  
turbofan's Avatar
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 8,146
Total Cats: 1,087
From: Lake Forest, CA
Default

Originally Posted by cordycord
So it looks like there are lots of options for the Miata.
<br />
<br />turbo
<br />Rotrex
<br />K20/24
<br />V8 (LS)
<br />V6 Honda
<br />V6 (GM) LFX
<br />
<br />FTFY.
<br />
<br />And Rick, I have been thinking that as well. OEM does not necessarily mean track ready. Maybe we will find that it eats cams or valves or timing chains with sustained >5k RPM operation.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:06 PM.