Oil pressure high!
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Did you disassemble and de-burr the new oil pump, or did you put it in as delivered from Mazda?
It sounds like your pressure relief valve may be partially stuck.
I've experienced this in the past - it sucks.
I have a high-flow pump, blocked oil squirters, oil pan baffle, and get 25-30 psi at hot idle. ~75-80psi at redline (8500 RPMs).
FWIW, I have had problems with the pressure relief valve on my street car and my track car. For this most recent build, I sealed the stock oil pressure relief valve and am using an external in-line adjustable pressure regulator. Works very well.
It sounds like your pressure relief valve may be partially stuck.
I've experienced this in the past - it sucks.
I have a high-flow pump, blocked oil squirters, oil pan baffle, and get 25-30 psi at hot idle. ~75-80psi at redline (8500 RPMs).
FWIW, I have had problems with the pressure relief valve on my street car and my track car. For this most recent build, I sealed the stock oil pressure relief valve and am using an external in-line adjustable pressure regulator. Works very well.
I just stuck the pump in as it arrived. Never had issues with a pressure relief valve befor.
Bob
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I'm no fluids engineer though, so my hypotheses (plural for hypothesis?) are subject to being wrong.
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I was not aware of the higher volume of the VVT pump, but that does make sense now that I hear it. How much flow boost is there? With oil squirters blocked off, and the extra flow, perhaps bearing clearance is a bit tight, maybe the relief valve cannot dump enough volume, and the pressure rises.
A thought comes to mind for me, how hard is it for you to remove everything between the block and the filter, run it like that to see if there is a restriction there. That should only make a difference if you are pulling pressure reading at the adapter, as I believe the boss in the block comes after the filter.
I would also consider checking pressure at one of the head oil plugs to see if it is high/low there.
Hydro or solid lifter in this engine?
My guess would have to be there is a problem with the relief valve tho.
A thought comes to mind for me, how hard is it for you to remove everything between the block and the filter, run it like that to see if there is a restriction there. That should only make a difference if you are pulling pressure reading at the adapter, as I believe the boss in the block comes after the filter.
I would also consider checking pressure at one of the head oil plugs to see if it is high/low there.
Hydro or solid lifter in this engine?
My guess would have to be there is a problem with the relief valve tho.
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I was under the impression that improved crankcase evacuation was the end-all solution to oil control at the rings. I could have swore you spent a good deal of time on this? It doesn't matter how much oil your squirters are squirting, if the pressure in the combustion chamber is greater than the pressure in the crankcase (which it should be at least 75% of the time), it makes it very difficult for oil to get into the combustion chamber.
I'm no fluids engineer though, so my hypotheses (plural for hypothesis?) are subject to being wrong.
I'm no fluids engineer though, so my hypotheses (plural for hypothesis?) are subject to being wrong.
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I was under the impression that improved crankcase evacuation was the end-all solution to oil control at the rings. I could have swore you spent a good deal of time on this? It doesn't matter how much oil your squirters are squirting, if the pressure in the combustion chamber is greater than the pressure in the crankcase (which it should be at least 75% of the time), it makes it very difficult for oil to get into the combustion chamber.
I'm no fluids engineer though, so my hypotheses (plural for hypothesis?) are subject to being wrong.
I'm no fluids engineer though, so my hypotheses (plural for hypothesis?) are subject to being wrong.
1) forged pistons with more clearance than stock
2) Extremely short height pistons with the stroker so they can rock in the bore more.
3) The fact that all aftermarket pistons I have seen have gas vents in the oil control groove vented to the underside of the piston where pressurized oil sparay from the oil squirters is and Mazda factory pistons do not.
I will say I’m not leaving an oil smoke trail anymore when I romp on it.
Bob
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I was not aware of the higher volume of the VVT pump, but that does make sense now that I hear it. How much flow boost is there? With oil squirters blocked off, and the extra flow, perhaps bearing clearance is a bit tight, maybe the relief valve cannot dump enough volume, and the pressure rises.
A thought comes to mind for me, how hard is it for you to remove everything between the block and the filter, run it like that to see if there is a restriction there. That should only make a difference if you are pulling pressure reading at the adapter, as I believe the boss in the block comes after the filter.
I would also consider checking pressure at one of the head oil plugs to see if it is high/low there.
Hydro or solid lifter in this engine?
My guess would have to be there is a problem with the relief valve tho.
A thought comes to mind for me, how hard is it for you to remove everything between the block and the filter, run it like that to see if there is a restriction there. That should only make a difference if you are pulling pressure reading at the adapter, as I believe the boss in the block comes after the filter.
I would also consider checking pressure at one of the head oil plugs to see if it is high/low there.
Hydro or solid lifter in this engine?
My guess would have to be there is a problem with the relief valve tho.
Somthing has let go in the driveline. sounds like metalic popcorn in the transmission. but I just put in a junk yard 3.636 ring and pinion with an OS-giken so I will have to figure it out tonight what is going on.
Bob
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I was not aware of the higher volume of the VVT pump, but that does make sense now that I hear it. How much flow boost is there? With oil squirters blocked off, and the extra flow, perhaps bearing clearance is a bit tight, maybe the relief valve cannot dump enough volume, and the pressure rises.
A thought comes to mind for me, how hard is it for you to remove everything between the block and the filter, run it like that to see if there is a restriction there. That should only make a difference if you are pulling pressure reading at the adapter, as I believe the boss in the block comes after the filter.
I would also consider checking pressure at one of the head oil plugs to see if it is high/low there.
Hydro or solid lifter in this engine?
My guess would have to be there is a problem with the relief valve tho.
A thought comes to mind for me, how hard is it for you to remove everything between the block and the filter, run it like that to see if there is a restriction there. That should only make a difference if you are pulling pressure reading at the adapter, as I believe the boss in the block comes after the filter.
I would also consider checking pressure at one of the head oil plugs to see if it is high/low there.
Hydro or solid lifter in this engine?
My guess would have to be there is a problem with the relief valve tho.
It is a ported 99 head with oversize valves. Stock solid lifters and cams. I think the flow increase with the VVT pump is pretty small actually. I doubt it is as much as a Boundary engenering pump.
Pretty cool to see oil pressure come up before I hit the starter button.
Bob
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It seems to have cured itself. now it idles at ~30-32 and ~80- 90 under load. I think the relief valve was sticking.
Somthing has let go in the driveline. sounds like metalic popcorn in the transmission. but I just put in a junk yard 3.636 ring and pinion with an OS-giken so I will have to figure it out tonight what is going on.
Bob
Somthing has let go in the driveline. sounds like metalic popcorn in the transmission. but I just put in a junk yard 3.636 ring and pinion with an OS-giken so I will have to figure it out tonight what is going on.
Bob
Good luck with the drivetrain, and let us know how it goes with the crankcase evacuation kit and light weight alternator in your other posts!
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Anybody else blow up CV joints? It’s got like a driveline vibration and does a lot of clicking and popping. even going straight loaded or unloaded. Lightly loaded at 3500 rpm it vibrates the whole car.
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How warm is warm? Mine does this exact thing when it's cold, are you sure you didn't just let it warm up more when you thought it cured itself? Much above idle when mine's cold and it's pegging the pressure gauge.
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I just took the CV apart, huge divots in the inner and outer races where the ***** come in contact, lots of slop in one spot. Grease looks fine, looks more like serious overloading than slow wear really. I wonder if this is going to be a weak link for a car making over 300 ft-lbs of torque.
God it feels cool to romp on it when you’re going 60 mph and have the rear tires just start spinning though. My junk old Toyo T1-S tires are entertaining for this.
Bob
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