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Old 04-26-2012, 03:34 PM   #1
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http://www.torquenews.com/1080/mazda...014-mx-5-miata

1.3L Turbo?!
Anyone know how accurate this info is?
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Nevermind, used my brain and the googles... Looks to be pure speculation, no hard facts.

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=454958
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blah......was just about to ask " is this yet another stupid 'enthusiast rendering'? "
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oh i thought that was a z4
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that still looks better than the current nc imo
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Nevermind, used my brain and the googles... Looks to be pure speculation, no hard facts.
In terms of specifications, the information seems pretty much the same as what's been reported by both Car & Driver and Road & Track.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ta-future-cars

http://www.roadandtrack.com/future-c...14-mazda-miata

I worry that a 1.3l engine which is already factory turbocharged just to get to 160 HP does not portend well for the aftermarket.



Sidebar: Is it just me, or are the Scion FR-S and the Subaru BRZ the exact same car?
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Old 04-26-2012, 05:46 PM   #7
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looks cool and if they do put a 1.3t I bet it would be easy to mod for a few more ponies with the stock hardware providing the fuel system and turbocharger have some headroom.
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Sidebar: Is it just me, or are the Scion FR-S and the Subaru BRZ the exact same car?
They are the same with minor differences, mostly in terms of options (ex. HIDs on the BRZ, not on the FR-S).
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160hp is pathetic regardless of how small the engine is. Unless they make it like 1800lbs
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Yeah, when is Mazda going to get with the picture and make a 1600 lb Miata with a 500hp V8 in it.
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its a mazda. it has to come with an underpowered motor and crazy good suspension...cant stop a long trend.
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drop the ms3 engine in there. 280hp or whatever it is with tons of mod potential. mm mm good
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They should just start mass manufacturing fae's motor and stick that in there.
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I worry that a 1.3l engine which is already factory turbocharged just to get to 160 HP does not portend well for the aftermarket.
SkyActive itself does not portend well for the aftermarket. My reading of SkyActive is that the stock engines will be in a much higher state of tune (with much lower "overbuilt" margins) when they reach our hands. All in the pursuit of fuel economy. The engine controls seem exponentially more complex than before. Other than increasing boost, there doesn't seem to be much an enthusiast can do to wick up a SkyActive engine -- and with the reliability margins cut thin, turning up the boost may not work out as well as it has in the past.

Of course, it could just be Mazda blowing smoke to spur market interest.

I was pretty excited about the ND, but if it weighs more and has less ooomph than my '90, what's the point? I'll still go for a test drive though.
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SkyActive itself does not portend well for the aftermarket. My reading of SkyActive is that the stock engines will be in a much higher state of tune (with much lower "overbuilt" margins) when they reach our hands. All in the pursuit of fuel economy. The engine controls seem exponentially more complex than before. Other than increasing boost, there doesn't seem to be much an enthusiast can do to wick up a SkyActive engine -- and with the reliability margins cut thin, turning up the boost may not work out as well as it has in the past.

Of course, it could just be Mazda blowing smoke to spur market interest.

I was pretty excited about the ND, but if it weighs more and has less ooomph than my '90, what's the point? I'll still go for a test drive though.
Yeah and I know the non-turbo sky activ motors are 13:1 CR. So what would the 1.3T's CR be?
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My understanding is that all the SkyActive motors will have high compression -- with direct injection and some valve trickery being used to avoid det. Again, a minefield for the aftermarket.

Time will tell. Mostly conjecture, although Mazda does have a cool SkyActive website.
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I read somewhere they are trying to get it as lightweight as possible. They were talking about light weight alternatives to the glove box and such. I had a glove sack in my original 5 and no glove box in my current 5. I must be ahead of the ball :roll:
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you said sack...
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They are the same with minor differences, mostly in terms of options (ex. HIDs on the BRZ, not on the FR-S).
Well, now I feel like an idiot.

I was actually being sarcastic when I posted that, judging solely on looks and the claim of a boxster engine, as I hadn't really done any research on the Scion model. I didn't realize that they are, in fact, built on the same platform. (The idea that Toyota and Subaru might actually form such a joint venture never even occurred to me.)



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SkyActive itself does not portend well for the aftermarket.
It seems that, in general, we are today at a precipice very similar to the one faced by the aftermarket in the 1980s, when weird, scary things like electronic fuel injection and computer-controlled ignition were becoming standard in most new cars, and it appeared that these technologies would spell the end of the hot-rod era.

And there may well be a darkness on the horizon, but I firmly believe that this, too, shall pass. Give it a few years, and the young 'uns will be wondering how we ever managed to make serious power out of our engines without direct-injection and such.
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I want to be the first to put carps on direct injection motor.
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