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10-15-2010, 12:41 AM
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Point I'm making is gas miliage(efficiency) is directly related to power/engine output. The less efficient the gas the less power we make and the slower we go and possibily the more likely we are to blow engines. ALL BAD 
do some math...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_s...el_consumption
do some math...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_s...el_consumption
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10-15-2010, 12:49 AM
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Do some research beyond Wikipedia before badmouthing one of the best things to come to the forced induction community since the affordable on-board wideband.
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10-15-2010, 01:08 AM
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10-15-2010, 07:11 AM
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Less mileage, yes. Les efficient fuel, yes. The slower we go? No. The more likely we are to blow up engines? ROFL.
Do some research beyond Wikipedia before badmouthing one of the best things to come to the forced induction community since the affordable on-board wideband.
Do some research beyond Wikipedia before badmouthing one of the best things to come to the forced induction community since the affordable on-board wideband.
Another thing this **** will do....
Quote from a turbo civc I know:
"I killed a set of brand new RC's, new aeromotive fuel pump, new aeromotive regulator, then the motor had more issues. After a bad leak down test I pulled the head the machine shop said there was white powder (Aluminum Oxide) was logded in the valve guides. You could clearly see the white powder on the intake valves and port. So I am about 2 grand into fixing E85 damage. The butt kicker is I put the car back on Cam2 110 and it made the exact same power as I did before.
Maybe I got some bad batches from Citgo, I don't know but the damage and possibly exploding decent $ motor wasn't worth the possible extra hp. After my experience a few locals have been dropping injectors ect. They all switch back to VP or Sunoco race fuels and make almost the same power."
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10-15-2010, 07:23 AM
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If some guy has a tune for 93 or even a 100 then one day someone mentions how e85 is "one of the best things to come to the forced induction community since the affordable on-board wideband" then loads up with it and drives away there is a great chance their engine will end up with some type of damage given they do not get a new tune.
Another thing this **** will do....
Quote from a turbo civc I know:
"I killed a set of brand new RC's, new aeromotive fuel pump, new aeromotive regulator, then the motor had more issues. After a bad leak down test I pulled the head the machine shop said there was white powder (Aluminum Oxide) was logded in the valve guides. You could clearly see the white powder on the intake valves and port. So I am about 2 grand into fixing E85 damage. The butt kicker is I put the car back on Cam2 110 and it made the exact same power as I did before.
Maybe I got some bad batches from Citgo, I don't know but the damage and possibly exploding decent $ motor wasn't worth the possible extra hp. After my experience a few locals have been dropping injectors ect. They all switch back to VP or Sunoco race fuels and make almost the same power."
Another thing this **** will do....
Quote from a turbo civc I know:
"I killed a set of brand new RC's, new aeromotive fuel pump, new aeromotive regulator, then the motor had more issues. After a bad leak down test I pulled the head the machine shop said there was white powder (Aluminum Oxide) was logded in the valve guides. You could clearly see the white powder on the intake valves and port. So I am about 2 grand into fixing E85 damage. The butt kicker is I put the car back on Cam2 110 and it made the exact same power as I did before.
Maybe I got some bad batches from Citgo, I don't know but the damage and possibly exploding decent $ motor wasn't worth the possible extra hp. After my experience a few locals have been dropping injectors ect. They all switch back to VP or Sunoco race fuels and make almost the same power."
Call I can say...is that those examples you have given were operator error and they deserve such results and not to be blamed on E85.
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10-15-2010, 08:36 AM
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I'm not badmouthing e85, I've seen what it can do. I'm badmouthing forced-by-gun 10-15% blends at the pump on the street in the interest of the special interest group at my expensive.
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10-15-2010, 08:53 AM
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If some guy has a tune for 93 or even a 100 then one day someone mentions how e85 is "one of the best things to come to the forced induction community since the affordable on-board wideband" then loads up with it and drives away there is a great chance their engine will end up with some type of damage given they do not get a new tune.
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10-15-2010, 12:35 PM
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We use corn syrup everywhere because the import tax is so high on foreign sugar to protect the prices of domestic sugar. Thank the Big Sugar lobby. For those who don't know, the Big Sugar lobby is real and controls much of the land use policy in South Florida where huge amounts of it are grown. They force the price of real sugar up causing an increase in the use of corn syrup as a less expensive alternative.
If we didn't have a huge import tax on cheap foreign sugar we could make our ethanol for much, much less.
If we didn't have a huge import tax on cheap foreign sugar we could make our ethanol for much, much less.
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10-18-2010, 10:24 AM
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....and upgrade your fuel system. My buddy Dan was running 1600cc injectors on his WRX. Made great power....but idles worse than his 1000cc injectors.
Also, he was filling up w/ E85 a lot sooner per tank than with 93 octane. Yes, you can make considerably more power with a good tune and supporting hardware (fuel system), but is it worth it? Not for everyone. Also, trying to locate an E85 pump when you're got 60% less travel distance per tank than before sucks. You really need to think about where/when you'll fill up.
However, it also is a bit cheaper than buy something like 108-115 octane race fuel.
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