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Old 12-11-2009, 11:23 PM   #41
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Actually I'll disagree. For a street car which sees minimal auto-x, AGX's are good shocks.

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I blew two of my agxs in just 10 autocrosses a while back. Not worth it IMHO

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Old 12-12-2009, 03:15 AM   #42
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I know this is an old thread but since it got bumped...I want to throw my .02 in. The idea for most of us is to improve the car. There seem to be alot of part haters these days, spoolin2bars came up with the part hater conversation. For the guys that are a little more experienced we should help make a list of the steps you can take to a better handling car. If someone asks are these good or what would you get for x dollars instead of always turning it into which is better lets turn it into what can you spend? Even Racelands are better than blown stock shocks.

https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t41991/#post494582

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Old 12-12-2009, 05:36 PM   #43
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i can't tell you how many people i smoked with agx's, many of them on flex. they're no motons but they're better than stock with the right supporting parts. anyway's, back on topic, i love how everyone jumps on the heaven sent coilovers when someone asks about a cheap coilover. did anyone bother asking what he plans on doing with his car. cuz unless your a poseur there is absolutely no need to spend 1k+ on coilovers that will never see the track,r compunds, or big power mods. also, you gotta buy what you can afford. not everyone has $2,000 to spend on shocks. would someone be better served by some decent quiality shocks that get you on track safely for seat time. or would they be better off spending $2k in a year after they saved up the money and have zero seat time or ability to even adjust or know what's needed from their expensive susp. system. alot of the guys i see bitching about kyb and cheap shocks couldn't even outdrive those, let alone put expensive coilovers to use. what's best to you, may be **** to someone else whether they cost less or 5x more.
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Old 12-12-2009, 06:01 PM   #44
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would someone be better served by some decent quiality shocks that get you on track safely for seat time. or would they be better off spending $2k in a year after they saved up the money and have zero seat time or ability to even adjust or know what's needed from their expensive susp. system.
Track the car on stock suspension until they can put the car on the dime, then buy real suspension. I went from Bilsteins to Flex (which are still shitty) and holy **** the car was easier to drive. It didn't take much skill to figure that out.

If someone is angry with someone because of they're damper choice, they need to reevaluate their lives, and most likely end it. Now, I see it as my civic duty, as a father to all of you, to enlighten people that buying **** like BC, Stance, or cracker-jack **** for a price over the Bilstein or Koni options is a mistake. I had a set of Spax coilovers that I scored on the cheap and they were so horrible the car was incredibly unpredictable on the street.
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Old 12-12-2009, 06:23 PM   #45
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[QUOTE=hustler;494722]Track the car on stock suspension until they can put the car on the dime, then buy real suspension. I went from Bilsteins to Flex (which are still shitty) and holy **** the car was easier to drive. It didn't take much skill to figure that out.


^^^^ that makes sense to me.
but what if op never wants to track the car, ever? then it makes no sense at all.
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Old 12-12-2009, 07:00 PM   #46
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Even Racelands are better than blown stock shocks.
Doubt it. I'd bet $20 that the blown stock shocks have better ride quality.
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Old 12-12-2009, 07:25 PM   #47
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I ended up getting a set of used tein ss for 400 bucks.
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Well done good sir.
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I ended up getting a set of used tein ss for 400 bucks.
From where?
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^^^^ that makes sense to me.
but what if op never wants to track the car, ever? then it makes no sense at all.
Then why go on living?

Then use stock springs and koni. /thread
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this thread is redundantly useless. i just want to be able to tuck my tires without cutting springs and without spending >700-800 bucks.

i drive on the streets so i'm not really worried about how track worthy they are. as long as they don't ride significantly worse than stock shocks, i'm good.
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this thread is redundantly useless. i just want to be able to tuck my tires without cutting springs and without spending >700-800 bucks.

i drive on the streets so i'm not really worried about how track worthy they are. as long as they don't ride significantly worse than stock shocks, i'm good.
yo dudes those peeps b hatin on ur suspencion? i her them racelands get u low iz totally balla and cheap
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Old 12-13-2009, 02:58 AM   #53
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Doubt it. I'd bet $20 that the blown stock shocks have better ride quality.
you owe me $20 bucks. a guy here has them (racelands) and they ride way better than his old shocks and springs.
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Old 12-14-2009, 01:44 AM   #54
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what ive read on cr.net the racelands are pretty good for the price although the rates are close to stock you get adjustability, i highly doubt they are anything worth tryin to track but for a DD they are decent just what i read so dont bust my *****
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everbody is throwing in their random 2 cents, so I'll add mine. If I was putting something together on a budget, I'd revalve to the approprate spring rates a set of Bilstiens. Interesting they aren't getting a ton of respect here. They are a great shock, can be cheaply rebuilt, and have easlily repeatable, easily manipulatable damping curves. For several other platforms, these are the hot ticket with a set of coil sleeves.

One other thing that people aren't focuing on is the springs these taiwan made coilovers use. They list a spring rate, but I am willing to bet money that they either aren't the same side to side, or they don't compress linearly. I had issues with Tein springs like this a couple years ago. I've heard their quality has gotten better, but the spring is as important as the damper. Heck, you can't even buy a set of 4 KW, or hyper coil springs for the price of these whole kits. The price difference isn't all in profit margin...
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FYI - about those C8s from their own discussion forum:
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If I was putting something together on a budget, I'd revalve to the approprate spring rates a set of Bilstiens.
THIS.

Bad coilovers suck. I know from experience. Now I have FCM Bilsteins, and while not a budget setup, they truly are magical in relation to the crap I've had in the past.

Guys, event if you only DD your cars, if you are truly committed to performance, cheaping out on the most important performance item on your car is doing you an injustice. Think about this. There is a reason this stuff is cheap.
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exactly my point: first you say even if you only daily drive, then you say if your truly commited to performance. alot of these guys aren't interested in performance or "truly commited" at all. they want a look, and they want the car to ride okay. other than that they could care less. and to suggest that they have to get $3,000 coilovers is retarded. yes quality, yes performance, yes reliability. i understand and want all those things, but not everyone wants what i want. alot of these guys won't have their car much over a year anyways to even run into reliablity problems. like i said before, most of the time more questions need to be asked before a good suggestion can be made.
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I ended up getting a set of used tein ss for 400 bucks.
Ha me too. Well they were $450 but close enough. I'm putting them on the track car. They should be good enough for now, especially if I can spank Hustler with them
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to suggest that they have to get $3,000 coilovers is retarded.
Who here said that only 3,000$ systems are worthwhile?

I've spent about 300$ on my suspension, and that's more than enough.

Used r-package bilsteins and FM springs. That will get a car low (about 12") if you want, and have quality shocks/springs.

When I have the money, I can get a revalve/adjustable setup and coilovers as a step up with reusing my shocks.

Good doesn't need to be expensive. I don't think anyone here is ripping on ricers for not having gold plated shocks, but for being ricers. Look at the people here spending 100-150$ more on Tien setups than Racelands. Your argument doesn't have merit.

And hell, if they just want "a look," they're ricers and deserve the abuse. The look is there because fast cars are low. If a car isn't low for the express reason of going fast... posers should be called out.
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