T5 trans development
01-22-2012, 12:17 AM
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T5 trans development
Just found this going through begi's site. Seems like they are installing a T5 trans on a customers build, and making a custom bell housing. They also hint at making a production cast piece. This would be awesome if someone actually came through with putting together a hassle free (at least begi's level of hassle free) of fitting a T5 trans in there.
Anyone heard of this or know any updates on it? Stephanie?
http://www.bellengineering.net/artic...rticles_id=351
Anyone heard of this or know any updates on it? Stephanie?
http://www.bellengineering.net/artic...rticles_id=351
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01-22-2012, 06:05 AM
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This one doesn't fit the T5 I guess
http://store.prestoliteperformance.c...ta-muncie.html
And it's probably not hard to beat the price and the availability of the Quicktimes either... (if you don't need the SFI)
http://store.prestoliteperformance.c...ta-muncie.html
And it's probably not hard to beat the price and the availability of the Quicktimes either... (if you don't need the SFI)
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01-22-2012, 07:14 AM
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From what I know, the T5 is quite strong but not the best transmission in shifting?
They aren't that expensive new, that might be a great plus?
I have one for my '73 euro Ford Escort. Quad4rods sold me a bellhousing to fit the T5 to the Duratec/MZR engine. For NC cars ?
They aren't that expensive new, that might be a great plus?
I have one for my '73 euro Ford Escort. Quad4rods sold me a bellhousing to fit the T5 to the Duratec/MZR engine. For NC cars ?
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01-22-2012, 09:01 AM
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If you guys can run a TKO500-600, why are you burning money on the Mazda transmissions? A torque arm isn't that hard to fab up. 3.27 first gear, .68 5th... Keep you from having to spin the ***** off the motor just while your chugging down the highway (or running 140+ down the back stretch)
They already have the shifter issue sorted out-
http://www.lethalperformance.com/tra...00-600-p-22071
They already have the shifter issue sorted out-
http://www.lethalperformance.com/tra...00-600-p-22071
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01-22-2012, 10:54 AM
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This one doesn't fit the T5 I guess
http://store.prestoliteperformance.c...ta-muncie.html
And it's probably not hard to beat the price and the availability of the Quicktimes either... (if you don't need the SFI)
http://store.prestoliteperformance.c...ta-muncie.html
And it's probably not hard to beat the price and the availability of the Quicktimes either... (if you don't need the SFI)
If this is like any other 'new' part from BEGI, it may be many years before it comes out if ever.
New intake manifold anyone? Pics next week promise!
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01-22-2012, 05:45 PM
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I can't wrap my head around the "usable 1st gear" argument.
As a baseline, let's look at some examples. At 220whp with a 6-speed and 4.10s, my 2nd gear was what I considered "usable" - it would spin on concrete on a cool evening, but otherwise you could generally hook it up in a straight line. That's a 51.4mph gear (using 7000rpm for redline, just for consistency's sake - an increased redline doesn't change the torque being applied to the rear wheels).
At 270whp with 3.909s, I could haze 2nd on pavement if I really tried to, so we'll call that usable. That's a 53.9mph gear. Based on that experience, IMO for the majority of cars in the 270-300whp range, you can put a 6-speed/3.909 or 3.636 combo and you get 5 usable ratios and a cruising gear that gives you ~3375rpm at 70 with 3.909s, or 3150rpm at 70 with 3.636s.
Let's look at the T5 ratios now. The 1st gear is either a 3.35:1, or a 2.95:1 if you're shelling out for a T5z box. Given a 225/45 tire, that gives you a 1st gear speed of 39.3mph with 3.636:1 gears. That's not a usable gear. If I can spin a 51mph gear at 220whp, and a 54mph gear at 270whp gear, a 39mph gear is a joke.
If you want a usable 1st gear, you don't want a T5 box - you want a 6-speed.
As a baseline, let's look at some examples. At 220whp with a 6-speed and 4.10s, my 2nd gear was what I considered "usable" - it would spin on concrete on a cool evening, but otherwise you could generally hook it up in a straight line. That's a 51.4mph gear (using 7000rpm for redline, just for consistency's sake - an increased redline doesn't change the torque being applied to the rear wheels).
At 270whp with 3.909s, I could haze 2nd on pavement if I really tried to, so we'll call that usable. That's a 53.9mph gear. Based on that experience, IMO for the majority of cars in the 270-300whp range, you can put a 6-speed/3.909 or 3.636 combo and you get 5 usable ratios and a cruising gear that gives you ~3375rpm at 70 with 3.909s, or 3150rpm at 70 with 3.636s.
Let's look at the T5 ratios now. The 1st gear is either a 3.35:1, or a 2.95:1 if you're shelling out for a T5z box. Given a 225/45 tire, that gives you a 1st gear speed of 39.3mph with 3.636:1 gears. That's not a usable gear. If I can spin a 51mph gear at 220whp, and a 54mph gear at 270whp gear, a 39mph gear is a joke.
If you want a usable 1st gear, you don't want a T5 box - you want a 6-speed.
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01-22-2012, 07:14 PM
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I would tend to agree, second gear in the 6 speed is a better ratio than first on the T5.
I can break a 6 speed. Can you break a T5?
The tool up is coming along well. With any luck at all we can ship this thing by 2016.
Fortunately, the shifter relocation is a tick more elegant than the bent wrench Cobra link. Easier, too.
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I would tend to agree, second gear in the 6 speed is a better ratio than first on the T5.
I can break a 6 speed. Can you break a T5?
The tool up is coming along well. With any luck at all we can ship this thing by 2016.
Fortunately, the shifter relocation is a tick more elegant than the bent wrench Cobra link. Easier, too.
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01-23-2012, 12:35 AM
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I can't wrap my head around the "usable 1st gear" argument.
As a baseline, let's look at some examples. At 220whp with a 6-speed and 4.10s, my 2nd gear was what I considered "usable" - it would spin on concrete on a cool evening, but otherwise you could generally hook it up in a straight line. That's a 51.4mph gear (using 7000rpm for redline, just for consistency's sake - an increased redline doesn't change the torque being applied to the rear wheels).
At 270whp with 3.909s, I could haze 2nd on pavement if I really tried to, so we'll call that usable. That's a 53.9mph gear.
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If you want a usable 1st gear, you don't want a T5 box - you want a 6-speed.
As a baseline, let's look at some examples. At 220whp with a 6-speed and 4.10s, my 2nd gear was what I considered "usable" - it would spin on concrete on a cool evening, but otherwise you could generally hook it up in a straight line. That's a 51.4mph gear (using 7000rpm for redline, just for consistency's sake - an increased redline doesn't change the torque being applied to the rear wheels).
At 270whp with 3.909s, I could haze 2nd on pavement if I really tried to, so we'll call that usable. That's a 53.9mph gear.
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If you want a usable 1st gear, you don't want a T5 box - you want a 6-speed.
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