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Leafy 09-24-2013 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by nitrodann (Post 1056472)
The real truth is that I tuned it.

Hopefully that explains everything. :party:

Dann

The dyno graph isnt upside down.

nitrodann 09-24-2013 09:18 AM

Yes it is.

Dann

Erat 09-24-2013 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by nitrodann (Post 1056477)
Yes it is.

Dann

It would be for you, we see things right side up here. :giggle:

nitrodann 09-24-2013 09:25 AM

Nah, its the right way up from here so it must be upside down over there.
See?

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1379965667

Dann :D

Braineack 09-24-2013 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by nitrodann (Post 1056472)
The real truth is that I tuned it.

Hopefully that explains everything. :party:

Dann


if you tuned it, it would be making 7523 ft-lbs and be posted upside down.

wasn't there another issue with an STP dyno posted here? Oh yeah, it was another TDR car when he posted here and we didnt give a fuck.

sixshooter 09-24-2013 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by nitrodann (Post 1056477)
Yes it is.
Dann

Haha!

Colin Hay is performing tonight over here in Largo, Florida. I wondered if he would be more comfortable playing guitar while standing on his head.


thenuge26 09-24-2013 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by mgeoffriau (Post 1056465)
I like the direction that thread has taken. Now multiple posters are saying that discussing AFR's, tuning, and reliability constitute "trolling", and that all they care about is seeing dyno results.

That is the TUNING section, there will be no discussions of tuning!

nitrodann 09-24-2013 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1056485)
if you tuned it, it would be making 7523 ft-lbs

You KNOW it.

:dealwithit:

By the way I asked for some measured data on VVT over there.

Is VVT usually capable of being tuned as opposed to just switched on and off at different RPM? I was under the impression that all VVT ran from oil pressure on a solenoid, or is that Oldschool now?

What components allows the VVT angle to be changed as opposed to open and closed?

Dann

Braineack 09-24-2013 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by nitrodann (Post 1056490)
What components allows the VVT angle to be changed as opposed to open and closed?

the stock ones.

nitrodann 09-24-2013 10:15 AM

... That doesn't explain anything at all.

Cheers,
Dann

Leafy 09-24-2013 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by nitrodann (Post 1056503)
... That doesn't explain anything at all.

Cheers,
Dann

vvt is not vtec. It normally works with some sort of mechamism that allows the angle of the cam to change relatively to the cam pulley.

nitrodann 09-24-2013 10:21 AM

I understand that fully, its usually powered by oil pressure and that pressure is controlled with a solenoid, I just cannot think of how the 'new modern' way of doing it that allows it to be stepped in angle, as opposed to naturally sit in one setting on a stop, and then have oil pressure push it to the stop a few degrees around.

Dann

Leafy 09-24-2013 10:24 AM

the solenoid turns on and off very quickly, just like boost control you dont think an ebc has only wastegate pressure or ALLOFIT do you?

concealer404 09-24-2013 10:25 AM

True variable VVT (IE, not an on/off switch) has been around for quite some time.

nitrodann 09-24-2013 10:26 AM

No, but having pulled apart VVT setups before I just dont see that accurately controlling angle, I mean, against something as irregularly shaped as a cam at xyz rpm and you are just going to PWM it to a specific angle with constantly changing oil pressure?

Dann

nitrodann 09-24-2013 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1056509)
True variable VVT (IE, not an on/off switch) has been around for quite some time.

Awesome, do you know how it works?

Dann

Leafy 09-24-2013 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by nitrodann (Post 1056510)
No, but having pulled apart VVT setups before I just dont see that accurately controlling angle, I mean, against something as irregularly shaped as a cam at xyz rpm and you are just going to PWM it to a specific angle with constantly changing oil pressure?

Dann

Yes, because closed loop controls are awesome.

concealer404 09-24-2013 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by nitrodann (Post 1056512)
Awesome, do you know how it works?

Dann


I don't know how it works on the NC, because i don't have an NC, and therefor, i don't care.

cyotani 09-24-2013 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by nitrodann (Post 1056512)
Awesome, do you know how it works?

Dann

sounds similar to honda's i-vtec





I'm trying to find the video I saw once that uses pneumatic valves which allows all valves in the head to be independently controlled from each other unlike a camshaft. It's a true Variable Valve Timing system. Pretty neat stuff. Just can't remember what the video was titled


EDIT: Found it


nitrodann 09-24-2013 10:36 AM

Lol.

if someone knows or has a link to some pics Id be very interested, I have an NC racecar parked 4 metres from me right now, but I dont really want to pull it that far down and risk having to replace seals and shit just to understand.

Dann


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