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Old 03-15-2010, 11:10 AM   #21
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Now if you want to step it up some more, add meth and turn the boost up 15psi. That will net you around 230rwhp

If you want to step it up even more well....




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Old 03-31-2010, 01:12 PM   #22
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How do the MSM's hold up on track?

I know people had alot of issues keeping their turbo hardware in place with turbo'ed Miatas, but how do the MSM's fair on track as far as reliability? I realize they might not be the fastest out there but if they can stay in one piece without backing out all the hardware I wouldn't mind getting one for the occasional track day (not 100% ***** to the wall racing).
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Since no one mentioned it and this appears to be a MSM vs NB w/ turbo thread:

I would assume the insurance premiums are higher on the MSM
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How do the MSM's hold up on track?

I know people had alot of issues keeping their turbo hardware in place with turbo'ed Miatas, but how do the MSM's fair on track as far as reliability? I realize they might not be the fastest out there but if they can stay in one piece without backing out all the hardware I wouldn't mind getting one for the occasional track day (not 100% ***** to the wall racing).
I've only seen a few MSMs at the track days I've been to. I don't recall any of them having to do any serious wrenching between sessions if that's what you mean, though I don't know how hard they were pushing the cars.
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Old 03-31-2010, 02:51 PM   #25
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lol @ peasants financing $10,000.
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lol @ peasants financing $10,000.
I keep that tucked under my nuts in cash.
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Old 03-31-2010, 03:27 PM   #27
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Now if you want to step it up some more, add meth and turn the boost up 15psi. That will net you around 230rwhp

If you want to step it up even more well....



What's that crazy contraption behind the radiator? Is that some kind of V-mount / vented hood setup?
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Old 03-31-2010, 11:42 PM   #28
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To the OP: I have an MSM. I see the good and the bad.

The good, as others explained:
- you get some stronger parts vs. regular NB, plus better suspension
- you get the (in my opinion) nicer bodywork plus the MS interior style
- you get the warranty on a turbo car (all expired by now however)

The bad, as I personally experienced:
- ECU tune is a pathetic joke + 6500 rev limit
- turbo can do 230rwhp, but it takes 15 psi
- downpipe/exhaust are terrible
- intercooler is a laughingstock
- intake / BOV are terrible

Finally: that "Little Enchilada" doesn't give you 200 rwhp. That is a B.S. claim by people who test with questionable dynos and/or have unsafe boost with lousy tunes and/or they're just full of ****. Reality check: L.E. kit gives you approx. 180-190 rwhp.

However, with all the same L.E. parts but using an Aburdflow 3" turboback instead of FM's downpipe and exhaust, my car dyno'd at 213 rwhp at approx. 12 psi.

Deciding factor in favor of MSM: when I drove an NA, women said, "It's so cute!" and that was all .... when I got the NB/MSM, it helped me get laid more often. A lot of non-car people think it's a much more upscale sports car than a lowly regular Miata.
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So, you say I should just piece the upgrades together and get a tune. Thanks for the non-marketing L.E. power numbers. That is good to know.
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junkie trust us MSM is a cop out. Buy a used NB with a 6 spd for 5k or so and then peice something together the biggest cost for **** is gonna be **** that is on the shelf people sell there systems everyday. research and patience are your freind.
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So, you say I should just piece the upgrades together and get a tune.
No, I'm saying that was the right approach for my situation. YMMV.

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Thanks for the non-marketing L.E. power numbers. That is good to know.
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Old 04-01-2010, 09:57 PM   #32
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junkie trust us MSM is a cop out. Buy a used NB with a 6 spd for 5k or so and then peice something together the biggest cost for **** is gonna be **** that is on the shelf people sell there systems everyday. research and patience are your freind.
I have been waiting for a year and a half. I don't have the patience to wait any more. My ideal Miata purchase would be a 10th anniversary edition, with a hardtop, and a turbo kit already installed.

People aren't selling their 10AE's for less than $6500 or so, are they? I added up the costs of what I think I (not someone else) would probably pay for upgrading the parts, some new parts, mostly used parts. That was $4000 or so, including the clutch.

So, $5000 for the car plus $4000 is $9000 total. For another $1500 I could get a car with the 6 speed tranny, better brakes, fresher paint (paint jobs are expensive), and those ghetto-fabulous wheels (don't like them), and not have to wait for a fairly quick car. Granted, a stock MSM isn't as fast as the $9000 turbo'd NB. For an extra $1000 in upgrades though, the MSM could be made as fast as the kit I'd put together. While I'm driving the stock MSM and getting used to it, I'd have enough patience piece together the upgrades, over a year or less.
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Where are you located? Prices are very dependent on that. If I go down to NM the same car is about 2500 less in most cases.

Just buy the 6 speed that FM has for sale in their salvage section (or like 4 5 speeds as spares) and all of 18 psi's stuff on the for sale. That and a late 90s car and you are good.
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Old 04-02-2010, 11:07 AM   #34
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I'm in Huntsville, Alabama. It is northern Alabama.
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Old 04-02-2010, 11:12 AM   #35
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low miles 1997 Mazda Miata

SHARP MAZDA MIATA MX-5, CONVERTIBLE, LEATHER, "RUBY RED"

I kind of see your point. Neither are 6spds. But they are both well below 6K asking price.

1999 Mazda Miata MX5

Nice one in Birmingham for 4500.

If 99s were that cheap around here I would **** myself.
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Old 04-04-2010, 02:31 AM   #36
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come buy my piece of ****
$4000-6 speed
im done with these *** cars
time to go back to Volvo

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Old 04-04-2010, 04:44 PM   #37
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Ha! What's wrong with your car? It doesn't look like a POS.
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i hate it
wonton had to pull me off it one night for beating the **** out of it
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I say buy the cheaper NB with cash and then save up cash and then buy the turbo parts for cash.
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aight man either the NB prices have been on the rebound or you guys dont know how to negotiate my first miata was almost a 99ae red and pretty fresh for 6500 dollars back in 03 instead i got the 92 with a hardtop etc 1 owner garage kept etc for alot less money.
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