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Old 05-17-2010, 05:26 PM   #21
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I just pulled out the spark plugs. I see water in all cylinders
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Seriously you wouldnt be able to tell. The rain was very hard and it was windy as **** my windshield was already foggy and I was the only one coming in. I had never seen it get that flooded before.
I would drain the oil, refill with some new oil suck the water out o the cylinders and pray.
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I just sucked the water out of cylinder one, and two. I pulled about 3oz from #1 and about 9oz from #2. I wasnt able to pull anything out of #3 and #4.

Im gonna send for some oil. I also read that starting fluid can help get the car going after a flood.
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Leave plugs out, spin over until all water is spit out, drain all oil and refill with cheap oil. Spin motor over with plugs out, and check oil for water. While you are at it, make sure all pistons are traveling normally. If there is no visable water, put plugs and wires back on, start and run for less than 30 seconds. Shut down and recheck oil. Probably will have water in it. If there is water, drain oil and put new oil back in. I have flooded an engine before, and it takes a while to get the water out. Once you feel like you are clear of water and engine is ok, put the oil you normally would run. Let the car run normally, but do not put under a load yet. Make sure it runs normally for a while before you stress it.

If you are still paranoid, pull the head off and see if all the pistons go to top dead center. I remember a thread a while back that hooked rods will not readily show up on a compression test. (Is this true?) You may want to do a compression test, just to see if there is anything obvious before pulling the head off.
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Do Not Use Starting Fluid to start engine.
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How would I be able to tell if there's water in the oil once is drain and new oil is put in??
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The oil will be milky. If you spin the motor with plugs out, it may not mix enough to become milky. That is why you let the motor run for just a few seconds. The water and oil will mix, and it is obvious on the dip stick.
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How would I be able to tell if there's water in the oil once is drain and new oil is put in??

There still will be some moisture. Just change it again immediately after your car has run for a few seconds.

You need to change your oil NOW before you do anything else. This is how I ruined my engine but it was with fuel, not water. Do not crank your engine over because water has entered your crank case past your rings for sure.

I bet you dont have any bent rods. Just change your oil, get the water out, change it again and change it again.
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As long as the motor is good mechanically (no bent rods, lost cam timing etc), then the rest is just drying things out, flushing out water, and properly lubricating.

Do not open any electrics until it is less humid out. Where is your ECU?

I'd be more worried about how rank your interior is going to be when it gets hot again...
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The oil will be milky. If you spin the motor with plugs out, it may not mix enough to become milky. That is why you let the motor run for just a few seconds. The water and oil will mix, and it is obvious on the dip stick.
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There still will be some moisture. Just change it again immediately after your car has run for a few seconds.

You need to change your oil NOW before you do anything else. This is how I ruined my engine but it was with fuel, not water. Do not crank your engine over because water has entered your crank case past your rings for sure.

I bet you dont have any bent rods. Just change your oil, get the water out, change it again and change it again.
Too late I started to spin the motor manually, and water is gushing out still. So I'll just drain the oil now and crank it till is dry?

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As long as the motor is good mechanically (no bent rods, lost cam timing etc), then the rest is just drying things out, flushing out water, and properly lubricating.

Do not open any electrics until it is less humid out. Where is your ECU?

I'd be more worried about how rank your interior is going to be when it gets hot again...
The interior I could give a **** about. Is not like pulling the seats and the carpet is a big deal. My MS is behind the passanger seat, high enough not to get wet unless water is at windshield level
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Too late I started to spin the motor manually, and water is gushing out still. So I'll just drain the oil now and crank it till is dry?
I would put some oil back in after draining...
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Too late I started to spin the motor manually, and water is gushing out still. So I'll just drain the oil now and crank it till is dry?
Drain the system and put in some cheap-*** oil.

With the spark plugs removed (and the coils and injectors disconnected) crank the engine on the starter for a while.

Drain oil again, re-fill with more cheap oil.

Put everything together, start the engine. Run it for a little bit, then drain and refill again.

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Oh, c'mon. You have to admit, this is pretty funny.
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Well, yeah, it's never funny to the person it happened to. But the rest of us aren't that person.
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Put some oil down your spark plug tubes to lube up the rings/cylinder walls.
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Ok, the cylinders seem clean. Right now Im gonna go get oil. Once I get back Im going to

-Re-fill
-Moist rings through spark plug cavity
-Crank
-Start for 30 secs
-Drain
-Re-fill
-Start

Good?
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If I recall correctly you have some stupid low air filter placement on this car ?
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