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Old 03-28-2008, 12:50 PM   #1
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Just heard, and on VERY good authority, that Mazda indeed plans to release the MSM NC, and will do so by end of the year. It's planned to have the MS3's turbo 2.3 and produces ~250 whp (the same motor in the MS3 has an easy upgrade path to >300). Weight wet is going to be about 2600lbs. Estimated to start around 28k MSRP vs the base car starting around 24K.

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is 143% larger engine, is produces 0% more power than mine
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Too heavy!
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Too heavy, compared to what--your 93? Imposed safety regs won't allow a car to be 2200 lbs wet again.

Anyway, I'm excited to see a Miata that will make 300whp, essentially stock.
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Too heavy, compared to what--your 93? Imposed safety regs won't allow a car to be 2200 lbs wet again.

Anyway, I'm excited to see a Miata that will make 300whp, essentially stock.
sure they will but it wont cost 20 grand.... Lotus elise, exige, and exige S all under 2150lbs
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Many gays and sorrority girls will die.
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Many gays and sorrority girls will die.
And i hope to be there to get the bodies...

I hope this makes the normal NC chepaer. I dont need another turbocharged miata
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Yes- too heavy compared to my '93.

I'd think one could at least get the car down a few hundred pounds with fewer extra bits (A/C, PS, etc).

I just find it unfortunate that the new Miatas are 20% heavier than the NA cars.
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sure they will but it wont cost 20 grand.... Lotus elise, exige, and exige S all under 2150lbs
Totally different class. Context counts.

Thank the world's governments for the bloat. Side impact standards, pedestrian safety standards, and all that bull ****.
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sure they will but it wont cost 20 grand.... Lotus elise, exige, and exige S all under 2150lbs
These had to have special exemptions made to clear safety regs to allow import. On their own merit, they do not pass.
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sure they will but it wont cost 20 grand.... Lotus elise, exige, and exige S all under 2150lbs
Its because they are exempt from saftey stuff. They only have a few vehicles that they bring over so exemptions allow them to do it.


I'm excited to see this thing...I wonder how good it will look?
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good news is that 2600lbs is still 200 lbs less then a s2000...it will definetely beat down s2000's cant wait!
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Change to a turbo that can handle to boost it after 5500rpm, then it will be really nice!
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good news is that 2600lbs is still 200 lbs less then a s2000...it will definetely beat down s2000's cant wait!
it only took them 9 years to do it.
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Not that I am headed down this path, but I think a big question here is how much power will it make when someone figures out how to install a parallel ECU and retune a la the current MSM and the Mazdaspeed3? Assuming at least a 25% gain, that would be over 300 HP.

But for the kind of money it would take to buy the new MSM, and do all this, I could have a lot more fun with my current car
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it only took them 9 years to do it.
ahhaha u swear mazda ever gave a **** about horsepower when it came to the miata...170 hp for the current miata lolll thats 100 horsepower less then a a damn camry
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Sweet- 2600lbs with 250-300hp is a good combo. Factory reliability is key, too.

Hopefully Mazda does it right this time, then backs it with Mazdaspeed parts that you can add on or swap out.
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I hope to hell mazda doesn't go paddle shift only on this msm nc, like some other companies, vw r32, and evolution. paddle shift might be faster but = no fun
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That motor sucks... Mazda is making a bad choice, just wait and see.
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Yes- too heavy compared to my '93.

I'd think one could at least get the car down a few hundred pounds with fewer extra bits (A/C, PS, etc).

I just find it unfortunate that the new Miatas are 20% heavier than the NA cars.
The customer base mazda is selling to does not want a car with no AC/PS/ etc. There are only a hand full of people that put speed and performace over comfort and amenities.
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