MuchoBoosto

Finally completed my PPF delete w/ the KMiata rear diff brace and a V8R trans support. Yay. Now that the PPF is gone i've gotta figure out where to run this ground that used to connect to the PPF. Since i'm an electrical dunce I need some ideas where to run this ground to since the Miata already seems to have a so-so reputation for bad grounds.

curly

iTrader: (25)

You might consider grounding it at the trans somehow. This ground goes from the battery, bolts to the chassis right behind it, then goes down through a grommet where it’s grounded at the ppf. So going to the body or subframe is already taken care of in the trunk. The one on the ppf helps ground the engine along with the strap behind the header

Savington

iTrader: (31)

I am not an EE, but I drilled my PPF delete for a rivnut and stuck the ground there. The car did not seem to mind that.

Joe Perez

iTrader: (8)

I am.

The PPF served an interesting function in this regard. It electrically tied the front and rear of the drivetrain together. The ground strap which originally went to it actually is not 100% necessary, as the battery is locally tied to the body in the rear, and the engine (including the alternator) is tied to the body at the front, on the exhaust side.

That being said, redundancy is good. If you want to duplicate this redundancy, do what curly suggests and run a new ground wire from battery (-) up to some point on the transmission.

MuchoBoosto

Thank you.

sixshooter

iTrader: (12)

When I did my ppf delete for the BMW transmission I neglected to run the additional ground from the ppf to the transmission and suffered a melted wiring harness on both cooling fan circuits and a few other interesting places. I would highly recommend doing as Joe suggested and running a large gauge ground to the transmission or engine block.

curly

iTrader: (25)

Yeah do what Joe said which was listen to curly which was ground to the trans!

brainzata

iTrader: (4)

If you are going to run cable, which you should. Terminate it at the engine for a better result than to the trans, not much extra cable to do that. The miata rear chassis ground is depending on welded old sheet metal at the rear of the car and that's why mazda had the ground cable terminate in two points.

Joe Perez

iTrader: (8)

Why? The electrical resistance of the transmission case, and at the union between the transmission and the engine block, has gotta be so low as to be immeasurable with conventional instruments.

The additional length of wire to reach the engine would add far more resistance to the path than the transmission case.

brainzata

iTrader: (4)

The transmission case is saturated with oils, bolted together with sealers, is not copper, has many seams that oils can find their way into. I'd highly doubt the resistance would be less. But to each their own. I would opt for a direct path with an important main ground. Also bolting to the transmission case where? One would have to drill and tap the case on the webbing or use the large 12/14mm ppf mounting holes and that would mean the cable is going to be suspended in the air from trans tunnel to trans.

TheScaryOne

iTrader: (3)

Does V8R have a listing on their website for just the bolt-in transmission mount? I see it's part of their driveline swap kit, but can't find just the mount.

tomrev

I like to use one of the starter mount bolts as my ground point. This is pretty much what everyone is saying with the engine, or trans as ground. My reason is the biggest draw seen is probably the starter cranking, so having a nice, fat ground cable bolted to it makes for happy cranking. Then everything trying to ground thru the engine is also happy.

Flerbizky

This makes a lot of sense. Thank you!

Eunos91

Would someone in the know please proof-read my plan? I want to replace my starter battery with a 7.5 Ah LiFePo4 battery for large 2-cyl. motorcycles and relocate it to behind the tombstone. Car is a track toy without radio etc., so there is sufficient space, and when the car is parked connection is interrupted by means of a killswitch. As for negative grounds I'd:
- run a cable from the battery to a ground bolt in the passenger footwell (remove paint first, of course) --> battery grounded to chassis in front
- run a cable from that bolt through the firewall to a starter bolt --> grounds engine & transmission to chassis (in addition to the OEM engine ground on the driver's side)
- run a cable from the rear of the PPF to the chassis ground near the stock battery location --> closes ground loop (battery - footwell chassis ground - engine ground - rear chassis ground) for optimum grounding.

any objections? This would allow me to save some 10 kg from the battery and 2 kg from the long-*** OEM battery cable (weighs 2.5 kg in stock form)

technicalninja

The physics are fine. It will work great!

My ONLY objection is having a lithium battery that close to your body.
My son was a track marshal/fire suppression guy out at MSR and he says...
"Very hard to put out a Li battery fire, you just have to let it burn out..."

Eunos91

THX!

We install them on thousands of our bikes. People spend their whole life with their ***** literally 5 cm away from the battery. I'll cope. If anything, I got to spend years in a 30 year old **** box filled with 45L of a highly inflammable liquid right behind my back LOL

HarryB

Just put some sort of firewall/box around it, so it buys you some time if need be. In that regard, LiFePo is by far the safest Li-based battery chemistry.