Notices
General Miata Chat A place to talk about anything Miata

PSA: Replace those clutch masters and slaves

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 7, 2018 | 12:04 PM
  #1  
LukeG's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,119
Total Cats: 166
From: Austin, TX
Exclamation PSA: Replace those clutch masters and slaves

My car felt like it was losing some acceleration and it got worse as it heated up. Had trouble diagnosing it and was even about to pull the trans and clutch as I thought I might have glassed the clutch itself. After a bunch of reading on here it sounded like it may be the clutch master and/or slave going out. From what I read, they don't last very long and are hard to diagnose as they don't always leak when going bad. I'm pretty sure the pair were only about two years old and had about 4k miles on them.

Spent $18 total for a new Exedy Clutch Master and Slave on Rockauto. Took about an hour to swap out both and bleed the line.

The car is back to amazing and performing as good as ever. I'll be replacing the pair annually now. Thanks to everyone who posted up info about this, helped me a ton.

PS- don't forget to bench bleed the clutch master before install.
Old Jul 7, 2018 | 02:52 PM
  #2  
concealer404's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,917
Total Cats: 2,206
Default

Yep. I replace the slave yearly. Master every other slave.

Ever Mazda i've ever had has had stupid short clutch hydraulic life.
Old Jul 7, 2018 | 03:11 PM
  #3  
SpartanSV's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,232
Total Cats: 169
From: Greeley, CO
Default

How does an issue with the clutch hydraulics affect acceleration?
Old Jul 7, 2018 | 05:05 PM
  #4  
LukeG's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,119
Total Cats: 166
From: Austin, TX
Default

Originally Posted by SpartanSV
How does an issue with the clutch hydraulics affect acceleration?
My clutch felt like it was slipping under hard acceleration. It wasn't horrible like if the actual clutch was bad, but enough to be noticeable. Maybe someone can explain the technical reason, but I think it has something to do with the fluid pressure not being as powerful as it needs to be.
Old Jul 7, 2018 | 05:16 PM
  #5  
SpartanSV's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,232
Total Cats: 169
From: Greeley, CO
Default

Originally Posted by LukeG
My clutch felt like it was slipping under hard acceleration. It wasn't horrible like if the actual clutch was bad, but enough to be noticeable. Maybe someone can explain the technical reason, but I think it has something to do with the fluid pressure not being as powerful as it needs to be.
The hydraulic system spreads the spinny bits away from each other to disengage the clutch. It does not push the spinny bits together to engage the clutch.
Old Jul 7, 2018 | 09:09 PM
  #6  
LukeG's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,119
Total Cats: 166
From: Austin, TX
Default

Originally Posted by SpartanSV
The hydraulic system spreads the spinny bits away from each other to disengage the clutch. It does not push the spinny bits together to engage the clutch.
I don't know how to explain it then, but it is definitely engaging better. Is it possible for the slave to be messed up and not allowing full engagement?

edit: maybe it is the psychology of better pedal feel after the replacement.

Last edited by LukeG; Jul 7, 2018 at 10:19 PM.
Old Jul 7, 2018 | 09:32 PM
  #7  
2manyhobyz's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 744
Total Cats: 42
From: Crest Hill, IL
Default

Have you guys found one method of bleeding is better than another?
we have :
Power pressure bleeder
two person method
Reverse bleeding method
I heard reverse bleeding is used in the aircraft industry.
Anyway, if you've tried more than one way let me know what you think.
Old Jul 8, 2018 | 02:11 AM
  #8  
SpartanSV's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,232
Total Cats: 169
From: Greeley, CO
Default

Originally Posted by LukeG
I don't know how to explain it then, but it is definitely engaging better. Is it possible for the slave to be messed up and not allowing full engagement?

edit: maybe it is the psychology of better pedal feel after the replacement.
Yep. Placebo effect is where my money is.

All that said I fully agree that the miata master and slave cylinders are total ****.
Old Jul 10, 2018 | 04:34 PM
  #9  
andyfloyd's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,164
Total Cats: 97
From: Louisville,KY
Default

I just replaced both on my car when the new engine went in. Its been my experience that the slave goes out much sooner than the master, but its good practice to replace both and its really easy anyways.
Old Jul 10, 2018 | 04:42 PM
  #10  
SpartanSV's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,232
Total Cats: 169
From: Greeley, CO
Default

Originally Posted by andyfloyd
I just replaced both on my car when the new engine went in. Its been my experience that the slave goes out much sooner than the master, but its good practice to replace both and its really easy anyways.
That's what research had told me as well so I only did the slave when my engine went back in. A few weeks later (with the car still on jackstands), the master leaked around the pushrod and into the car.
Old Jul 10, 2018 | 05:19 PM
  #11  
z31maniac's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,693
Total Cats: 222
From: OKC, OK
Default

Originally Posted by 2manyhobyz
Have you guys found one method of bleeding is better than another?
we have :
Power pressure bleeder
two person method
Reverse bleeding method
I heard reverse bleeding is used in the aircraft industry.
Anyway, if you've tried more than one way let me know what you think.
I've only ever had luck with the 2 person bleed method on any hydraulic system on any car I've owned.
Old Jul 10, 2018 | 05:57 PM
  #12  
ryansmoneypit's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 3,398
Total Cats: 458
From: A cave in Va
Default

First thing I thought when I read post #1- Thats not how our clutch works.
Old Jul 11, 2018 | 04:39 PM
  #13  
huesmann's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 659
Total Cats: -15
From: Silver Spring, MD
Default

I hardly think the clutch master and slave are annual replacement items, unless you're somehow very hard on your hydraulics.
Old Jul 11, 2018 | 05:10 PM
  #14  
LukeG's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,119
Total Cats: 166
From: Austin, TX
Default

Originally Posted by ryansmoneypit
First thing I thought when I read post #1- Thats not how our clutch works.
Yup, I'm a moron sometimes.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Thatturbomiata
General Miata Chat
17
Oct 15, 2019 01:30 PM
ZeroPSI
Suspension, Brakes, Drivetrain
13
Sep 29, 2017 02:01 PM
TheDriver
General Miata Chat
34
Aug 7, 2012 02:54 PM
thirdgen
General Miata Chat
1
Jul 2, 2012 09:52 PM
bayside blue
General Miata Chat
5
Aug 31, 2009 02:47 PM




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:40 AM.