General Miata Chat A place to talk about anything Miata

Turbo installed. Lasted 4 days. Threw a rod.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-09-2014, 01:20 PM
  #161  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Horton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 77
Total Cats: 10
Default

Been on the dyno today.

Made more power and torque. Very happy with it now. A MASSIVE thanks to Dan at ardler automotive for checking the whole map over of me again.

Rev limit lowered to 7k

Hopefully it last more than 4 days this time.

Name:  69106074f59e22f9135d502914ce5c30.jpg
Views: 247
Size:  507.6 KB

Name:  6c08bf8220a478fa69c0b0d2229d0c96.jpg
Views: 265
Size:  498.6 KB

If any of you are on Instagram follow me on there for more pics

Username: connorhorton
Horton is offline  
Old 09-09-2014, 01:32 PM
  #162  
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
adamiata's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 412
Total Cats: 78
Default

That's...uh...a funny looking torque curve.
adamiata is offline  
Old 09-09-2014, 02:15 PM
  #163  
Elite Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Fireindc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Taos, New mexico
Posts: 6,612
Total Cats: 567
Default

Holy ****, it's just like looking out the window of my house (a mountain).
Fireindc is offline  
Old 09-09-2014, 02:56 PM
  #164  
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 79,501
Total Cats: 4,080
Default

not loading for me. i hate photobucket.
Braineack is offline  
Old 09-09-2014, 03:53 PM
  #165  
Junior Member
 
ardler_dan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 56
Total Cats: 9
Default

So the car went on the dyno again today, it instantly made better power and needed work to the fuel map (especially in boost) to get it where it needs to be.

The strange torque curve comes from the same flaws in the original turbo setup where it just can't make the boost at the top end. It does however make for a lovely flat power graph at the top (I'd much rather have flat torque to redline but not many people run big enough turbos on stock engines). It's also emphasised by the way that the DynaPack auto-scales it's axis, which makes small changes look rather… large.

All in all - it's back on the road and the iMessage from Connor a short while ago that said "It's sooo much faster", it's amazing what an extra 20bhp can do :-)

Daniel
ardler_dan is offline  
Old 09-09-2014, 03:58 PM
  #166  
Junior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
TheCowGod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 54
Total Cats: 0
Default

It's nice to see the dyno runs start at a nice low RPM.
TheCowGod is offline  
Old 09-09-2014, 05:53 PM
  #167  
Moderator
iTrader: (12)
 
sixshooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 20,660
Total Cats: 3,011
Default

With that torque curve you should have set the redline at 6000 rpm. He's got no business revving it out any higher than that with that clogged exhaust. All that it will do is make excess heat and cylinder pressure above there, and maybe cost him another engine.
sixshooter is offline  
Old 09-09-2014, 06:39 PM
  #168  
Senior Member
iTrader: (6)
 
k24madness's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Rafael, CA
Posts: 1,421
Total Cats: 95
Default

After seeing that dyno I would be concerned the cause of the original failure still lurks within the new motor. That type of torque fall off means you got one hell of a restriction somewhere. Restrictions like that cause cylinder temps to really skyrocket and lead to detonation.

I would pull the exhaust and dyno with just a downpipe and see if anything changes.
k24madness is offline  
Old 09-09-2014, 07:10 PM
  #169  
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Enginerd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,451
Total Cats: 77
Default

Diesel swap?
Enginerd is offline  
Old 09-09-2014, 08:37 PM
  #170  
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Full_Tilt_Boogie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 5,155
Total Cats: 406
Default

The cam timing is off. Im calling it. Im sure its been said before, but seriously, the mechanical timing is advanced a tooth somewhere.
Full_Tilt_Boogie is offline  
Old 09-09-2014, 08:43 PM
  #171  
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
triple88a's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 10,455
Total Cats: 1,799
Default

So...what PSI is that at?
triple88a is offline  
Old 09-09-2014, 09:18 PM
  #172  
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
concealer404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,917
Total Cats: 2,201
Default

That's fucked. It's dropping torque worse than a stock msm.

It's gonna blow again.
concealer404 is offline  
Old 09-10-2014, 10:03 AM
  #173  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Horton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 77
Total Cats: 10
Default

The exhaust really isn't very restrictive at all. The down pipe is the standard Hks on that's been chopped and made to be more free flowing but it does have a pretty sharp angle off the turbo so that must be a restriction I suppose.

Still at 13psi.

Cam timing is not off.

Torque really doesn't feel like it's dropping off that bad

I'm sure dan will answer with a more technical answer
Horton is offline  
Old 09-10-2014, 10:10 AM
  #174  
VladiTuned
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 35,821
Total Cats: 3,481
Default

There is a problem. Look at all the dyno plots posted of our cars, none of of them look like yours.

None of them choke down like that. Even the ones with stock exhaust don't drop to 100tq @ redline
18psi is offline  
Old 09-10-2014, 10:11 AM
  #175  
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 79,501
Total Cats: 4,080
Default

omg, someone post the actual images here. photobucket never works for me.
Braineack is offline  
Old 09-10-2014, 10:12 AM
  #176  
VladiTuned
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 35,821
Total Cats: 3,481
Default

this is his torque curve: /\

literally drops from 200 too 100 by redline.
18psi is offline  
Old 09-10-2014, 10:12 AM
  #177  
Moderator
iTrader: (12)
 
sixshooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 20,660
Total Cats: 3,011
Default

Originally Posted by Horton
Torque really doesn't feel like it's dropping off that bad
It doesn't matter what it feels like when we have a graph. Graphs don't lie unless they come from Australia, so we know something is wrong.

Are you using a catalytic converter and stock muffler?
sixshooter is offline  
Old 09-10-2014, 10:18 AM
  #178  
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 79,501
Total Cats: 4,080
Default

Originally Posted by 18psi
this is his torque curve: /\

literally drops from 200 to 100 by redline.
I see it now; drops 80rwtq from 4K to 6.8K--I hope his boost at redline is 90kPa. That or I'm still sticking to my original theory: the tune.


I cant see how 150rwhp once it FINALLY spools to redline can feel good...

Typically when one makes 200rwtq, you'd expect at least 230rwhp. What turbo is this?

Last edited by Braineack; 09-10-2014 at 10:32 AM.
Braineack is offline  
Old 09-10-2014, 10:19 AM
  #179  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Horton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 77
Total Cats: 10
Default

No cat at all. Straight pipe from the turbo back to a single straight through box at the rear. All of it 2.5"
Horton is offline  
Old 09-10-2014, 10:19 AM
  #180  
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
concealer404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,917
Total Cats: 2,201
Default

Originally Posted by 18psi
this is his torque curve: /\

literally drops from 200 too 100 by redline.

It's making 10wtq more at redline than my motor did...


WHEN MY MOTOR WAS N/A.

concealer404 is offline  


Quick Reply: Turbo installed. Lasted 4 days. Threw a rod.



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:54 PM.