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boileralum 10-15-2009 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by boileralum (Post 467481)
Nicely done!

What model caliper do you use if sourcing yourself?

Reposting to help my search for cheap used calipers

Savington 10-15-2009 02:54 PM

The kit uses Wilwood Dynalite calipers.

Ben 10-15-2009 03:00 PM

He's asking for the model number you use since there's eleventy billion different calipers.

You'd need 1.4" piston calipers to match the stock piston size. I'd assume 120-6805 for 1" rotor or 120-6806 for .810" rotor 120-6806 WILL work with standard corrado rotors. The difference is only .05". I confirmed it with wilwood tech support, and then found that KMAG is running it.

Laur3ns 10-15-2009 03:44 PM

Nice kit. Wonder how much better the DBA rotors are in terms of cooling. They better well be alot better for their $$$.

Cooling will still be an issue either way.

Are you planning to release cooling duct spindle plates that support keeping the ABS sensors? This winter?

JasonC SBB 10-15-2009 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 467414)
Any theories why a 4 piston caliper solves rotor cracking?

Here's Sav's theory in a nutshell: The uneven pad pressure (which results in uneven pad wear), causes uneven rotor heating, and high thermal gradients can cause cracking.

JasonC SBB 10-15-2009 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 468493)
He's asking for the model number you use since there's eleventy billion different calipers.

You'd need 1.4" piston calipers to match the stock piston size.

Is there a caliper that's got the 2 pistons' total area that's X% smaller than the stocker's piston area, where X% is the amount that the Corrado rotors' pad center to spindle distance is greater than the stockers, in order to roughly match bias to factory?

boileralum 10-15-2009 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 468493)
He's asking for the model number you use since there's eleventy billion different calipers.

You'd need 1.4" piston calipers to match the stock piston size. I'd assume 120-6805 for 1" rotor or 120-6806 for .810" rotor 120-6806 WILL work with standard corrado rotors. The difference is only .05". I confirmed it with wilwood tech support, and then found that KMAG is running it.

Exactly, thanks Ben.

Miatamaniac92 10-16-2009 12:22 AM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 468699)
Is there a caliper that's got the 2 pistons' total area that's X% smaller than the stocker's piston area, where X% is the amount that the Corrado rotors' pad center to spindle distance is greater than the stockers, in order to roughly match bias to factory?

Isn't it easier to pick a caliper/rotor/pad combo that is better in terms of pricing/fit/availability and just use a proportioning valve for bias?

Chris

Ben 10-16-2009 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 468699)
Is there a caliper that's got the 2 pistons' total area that's X% smaller than the stocker's piston area, where X% is the amount that the Corrado rotors' pad center to spindle distance is greater than the stockers, in order to roughly match bias to factory?

Maybe, I don't know the pad center to spindle distances. The step down in size from 1.38" pistons is to 1.25", or 90%. Might be what you're looking for.

JasonC SBB 10-16-2009 12:28 PM

And those calipers fit?? (BTW that's an 18% reduction FWIW).

If so that would get rid of the need for a prop valve!

My concern about the FM prop valve solution is that while it may give you the right prop for the track on whatever tires you have, it may still be wrong in the wet. (I know, the solution would be to have a different setting wet vs dry) My 2000 has ABS and IMO the factory proportioning is pretty darn good from wet to dry.

Anyone have the 1.8 stock piston diameters?

Laur3ns 10-16-2009 12:33 PM

I think my car with the full BBK (front Wilwood, rear bracket with larger discs) and 94 ABS is also pretty good proportioned for track use. Are people using the prop valve with ABS?

Ben 10-16-2009 12:37 PM

Bah, it's 90% of the diameter, not 90% of the area. Sorry, I forgot to expand it out. My bad.

NB non sport front brakes are 2" diameter pistons. Should hold true for all standard 1.8 brakes. 1.6 brakes might be the same. Sport/MSM have a slightly larger piston.

Savington 10-16-2009 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 469053)
My concern about the FM prop valve solution is that while it may give you the right prop for the track on whatever tires you have, it may still be wrong in the wet.

The OEM prop valve is worse than a properly set-up FM valve in this respect, Jason. With the OEM valve, you send a ton to the front, and very little to the rear. With the FM valve, you send a bunch to the front, but enough to the rear as well.

Let's wet the roads down, now. With the OEM valve, you're still stuffing all that force to the front, but there's not as much weight transfer, which means not as much weight on the front tires, and suddenly they lock faster.

With the FM valve, you're sending more, which means as the rear tires do more of the work (in the rain, your rear tires do more work braking vs in the dry due to the lack of weight transfer). The FM valve would be BETTER than the OEM valve in the wet.

Race car drivers ADD rear bias in the rain.

hustler 10-16-2009 01:45 PM

i have the FM bias valve in my car and I've driven on the street in the wet and dry AND on the track in the wet and dry.

I set it up on the track in the dry a couple months ago because I finally got the tread worn off and had extreme grip. After the first session and 4 pit visits, the car was set up right. The car stops incredibly well, with enough rear bias that several people commented on how much the rear of the car wiggles on threshold braking. This car stops, and its easy to control in extreme trail braking...like 75-85mph through a triple-apex with a crest in the middle and off camber, downhill trail braking into a corner that tightens with an compromise exit.

Last weekend I drove in the rain on the track, and drove home in a light-shower, on slicks and had no danger issues either. Get the brake valve.

hustler 10-16-2009 01:47 PM

I also currently have sport brakes and they suck ass/kill pads in roughly 1.5 track events or 3 hours of track time. You really need multi-piston calipers if you're driving like a man.

Laur3ns 10-16-2009 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 469110)
I also currently have sport brakes and they suck ass/kill pads in roughly 1.5 track events or 3 hours of track time. You really need multi-piston calipers if you're driving like a man.

Or brake too much j/k.
You have ABS too, or not?

Savington 10-17-2009 01:12 AM

5 orders recieved, the price is now $600 for the next 5.

hustler 10-17-2009 02:12 AM


Originally Posted by Spookyfish (Post 469141)
Or brake too much j/k.
You have ABS too, or not?

no ABS, I'm a man.

cjernigan 10-17-2009 03:06 AM

If my car was running and I was a man I would have bought in. Instead i left my car in storage in TN for the past 6 months in un-running condition.

cjernigan 10-17-2009 03:52 AM


Originally Posted by Oscar (Post 467348)
I should not have read this. Trying to sell a kidney for these right now. I presume that the rings for the rotors are the same as M-tuned supplied with their kit?

Make it happen?


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